Why do seller tell folks to pay PP fee?

Every post I seen in the classified, the seller always state in their post. Buyer use friends and family or pay the fee. From what I know it's the sellers responsibility to pay the fee. Is it not? So I look it up and found this...so I don't know why anyone would tell someone to use FF or pay the fee..it's kinda rude to tell someone to do this or they will be force to pay the fee. It also makes them seem like a scammer cause they want folks to use FF to avoid the fee and then rip them off and PayPal won't do anything cause transaction was FF. If sellers wants that 3% fee, why don't they just include it in their price so it doesn't look bad on them telling folks to use FF or be force to pay the fee.

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Basically the seller wants a certain amount of money for an item. Say, $500, not $470, so, he/she can ask for $540 to include fees OR ask the buyer to pay the fees themselves or save the $ if it’s a trusted seller. Either way the buyer will pay in my opinion, so that’s pretty trivial at the end of the day.

That and basically no one can Force you to buy the item period, walk away and be happy. 
 
Basically the seller wants a certain amount of money for an item. Say, $500, not $470, so, he/she can ask for $540 to include fees OR ask the buyer to pay the fees themselves or save the $ if it’s a trusted seller. Either way the buyer will pay in my opinion, so that’s pretty trivial at the end of the day.

That and basically no one can Force you to buy the item period, walk away and be happy.

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No one likes a complainer. What's your solution to force others to act how you want? The post has an SJW flavor and isn't the first as of late. Let's leave the self righteous indignation aside and talk airguns.(not you intenseaty)
 
I completely agree. The Sellers are asking the Buyers to basically commit a crime which they can get kicked off PayPal for. If the seller wants a certain amount in their pocket, their price should reflect the PayPal fee if in fact they want to accept PayPal. It's the cost of being able to do business anywhere in the world online. In addition, if money is sent Friends and Family, not only are the Buyers committing a crime, but they're also loosing all remediation possibilities if the Seller isn't trustworthy. Frankly, i don't know a single person on here personally. Most of you probably don't remember what it was like before PayPal. You had to go to the Post Office with cash and get money orders, sometimes, multiple money orders, then send them in the mail. Then, hopefully, the seller wasn't a crook, because you had very few options if the transaction turned to crap. PayPal is the only reason we can buy and sell to each other person to person instead of having to buy everything new from a company. Suck it up, life is way better having PayPal, pay the fees. Better yet, you all should be investing in PayPal stock, it's the only game in town. Do a search and get a graph of the stock price over the last 5 years.
 
airmanator , you are correct with the paypal crap. the reason is , as intenseaty stated. folks want x amount for their stuff. if they factor in the PP fees they lose. it raises the price and makes it appear non competative. or overpriced. i personally have had people throw down for $10. appearance is a lot. buyers forget PP fees as well as shipping costs. they just see the price. now when i see an expensive item listed as a F&F , i just add on the fees to cut the bullpoop. it's common sense. i after being jerked around about pricing now list all my sales with fees factored in. 

i maen what's the issue? 30 bucks on a grand? but some get a real burr up their keister about it.
 
Basically the seller wants a certain amount of money for an item. Say, $500, not $470, so, he/she can ask for $540 to include fees OR ask the buyer to pay the fees themselves or save the $ if it’s a trusted seller. Either way the buyer will pay in my opinion, so that’s pretty trivial at the end of the day.

That and basically no one can Force you to buy the item period, walk away and be happy.

+1

No one likes a complainer. What's your solution to force others to act how you want? The post has an SJW flavor and isn't the first as of late. Let's leave the self righteous indignation aside and talk airguns.(not you intenseaty)


I'm with you... if you don't want the deal don't buy, it's that simple. My terms are my terms.
 
I think the op just pointed out the rules of pay pal in the general discussion section. To me it’s good info. When I see these terms of some sellers it does seem cheesy. Isn’t pay pal anti gun? Do some research. Sure the stock price is up. Wasn’t elone musk a founder and sold the company?

maybe sellers should offer multiple prices? PP price and when a personal check clears price. And whether shipping is included. 
 
As a seller, if you don’t trust me and need assurance (or insurance) then you will need to pay the charge PP is going to charge ME in the event YOU get buyers remorse. 

As a seller, i know what I must have and what I believe is fair market value. So I price my items accordingly and I’m willing to give you approximately a 3.5% discount on the purchase PLUS I’LL PAY for shipping/insurance (at least To the contiguous United States CONUS) for items I am selling. Very, very few businesses are willing to do that. I guess I could charge for shipping, like most resellers do, which is about 3.5% of the selling price and abate the PP FF fee. Ultimately, the price is going to be the same. I’ve had to do that with a prospective buyer wishes to not pay Via Friends Family. I can’t pay both. 

If you feel the price is too high, walk away from he deal. I have.

As for PP policy of fee abatement, if you buy something from me, we can be friends if you don’t want me to be charged a selling fee. 
 
I try to deal with folks I know, even if it's because they are long term members. I also try to communicate with them prior to finalizing a sale, and prefer to do so over the phone, but some people just don't want to go that route. The way I view the PP Fees is insurance for the buyer. I know what I have, if the buyer wants extra insurance, they are more than welcome to pay the fees and have more peace of mind. I try to price things as low as possible because I'm typically just making room for another airgun, I'm not selling for a profit, so paying the fees just increases the price I'm asking. Thus, in my mind, making it an option seems the fairest way to go.
 
I thought it was an option for the buyer. You can do F&F OR pay the 3%. But if you do the F&F, you loose the insurance protections commonly associated with using PP. If you trust the seller, you can avoid it and save the money. I never even considered presenting the option as against PP policy (or a crime, as someone said), it's just an option to save money.
 
I have some pretty good friends on AGN that will call under the Friends and Family, 

I actually did not realize that it's against policy to charge the processing fee back to the buyer, which buy the way legal as of last year in Texas, it was made a big deal credit card companies used to have the same policy stating that a seller could not charge processing fees. It is still against the law in many states to charge the fee.

For those that are slamming the OP for questioning the act that I fully admit being guilty of too let me remind you of a few things

1. The classifieds on this forum is not to be used for businesses but by members selling a gun or item here and there. If you are selling items for business purposes then you are violation of the forums rules ,,,,, So it might behoove you to be a little less judgmental when you start throwing stones at the OP for asking a valid question

2. If the OP has shown a valid link (which he did) demonstrating that such a transaction is in direct violation of PayPal policy the I would be grateful for such information due to the fact that if a buyer wanted to scam steel from you all they would have to do is report the transaction to PayPal and you could find yourself locked out of the funds and or find the funds have been refunded back to the buyer as you are the one in violation of the seller agreement. At the very least you have been provided valuable information that can save you a lot of trouble and headache in the future.

3. Part of the forum classifieds rules also states that the add cannot violate state, federal laws and since all but 10 states in the United States has laws forbidding such such actions you are again on the wrong side of forum policy unless both you and the buyer lives in a state that allows such actions. 

4. As too the Paypal Fee I have three different credit card processors for products I deal with, the reason why is because certain items like CBD oils are considered high risk and therefore the fees are higher percentage as a business let me advise you that an overall percentage of 3% is actually not that bad many companies charge a lot more for small businesses with no credit history and little to no track record plus hold your funds for extended amounts of time.

Folks I get it I really do every cent can count and it sucks that there are scammers and thieves knee high that will find ways to screw you out of your hard earned money. Some of you have made a statement like "if you don't trust me then you should be the one to pay the fee" ever heard of the Gander And goose .... So are you going to mail the gun if the guy says the check is in the mail? OF COURSE NOT. I would for a few here on this site without thinking twice but for the most part nope! Trust is a two way street and is a built relationship you earn it with each individual.

As to the post referring to the cost of doing business,.,.,. There is a difference in a hobby and business but as stated the best solution to this issue is to price the items with fees and if both buyer and seller after discussing decide to sell/buy as friends that is their right.



BESIDES it's Christmas.... As one of my fellow members has posted in another thread "Can't we all just Get along!" 


 
I suggest to never use F&F,,,protect your investment,sellers should just add the 3%... would you rather wait for a check or money order?

When a seller says I'll pay the PP fees that is a big plus ,makes things better all around.....in my opinion.

I have over 1400 PP transactions and never ounce did the seller ask me to pay the fees..I ain't doing it...I do have to pay the taxes on item.

Merry Christmas and a opinion is just that and all have value.
 
I suggest to never use F&F,,,protect your investment,sellers should just add the 3%... would you rather wait for a check or money order?

When a seller says I'll pay the PP fees that is a big plus ,makes things better all around.....in my opinion.

I have over 1400 PP transactions and never ounce did the seller ask me to pay the fees..I ain't doing it...I do have to pay the taxes on item.

Merry Christmas and a opinion is just that and all have value.

I have had in my desk 4 fake Postal Money Orders in a single month

Actually they where real money order paper but the print was forged and don't let me get started on hot and forged checks 

Even had one forged Bank Cashier's check (I didn't know that could happen) that one costed me a lot of money!!!!! 

There is an alternate and that is to use a third party a licensed FFL dealer is also licensed to act as a third party broker, last time I used one it costed $45