Just wondering why you see so many Turkish made air rifles. When I bought the Benjamin Caden I thought I was buying an American Made air gun,
Why are so many pcp's made in Turkey
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They are pretty upfront about it made in Turkey. Eastern Europe and Turkey have a lot of machine shops and access to Walnuts. Turkey has had a long history of making sailboats/boats and shotguns and other wood en things, so with the factories making shotguns it is easy to also put out some airguns too. If you look at Hatsan for example, they make shotguns (as well as Kral). Kral is better than Hatsan however. I have a Cayden.
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Yeah,there is a ton of them outta turkey now a days.
I've had several hatsans and I believe they are outta turkey also.
All have been good.
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Amercian air arms(evol)
Maybe a few others ?
I've had several hatsans and I believe they are outta turkey also.
All have been good.
USA made
Jsar
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Amercian air arms(evol)
Maybe a few others ?
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Lots of guns in general come from Turkey especially shotguns.
Only a few airguns are truly american made and all come with a hefty price tag.
Only a few airguns are truly american made and all come with a hefty price tag.
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I got to visit Turkey while I was in the military... 
And as everyone has said, there are tons of gunshops and Turkish gunmakers over there. As modern airguns gain popularity I am sure they have decided to cash in on the wave!
And as everyone has said, there are tons of gunshops and Turkish gunmakers over there. As modern airguns gain popularity I am sure they have decided to cash in on the wave!Upvote 0
Turkey isn't part of the EU, and nor is it ever likely to be while they maintain an illegal army of occupation in an EU country (Cyprus).
I don't know why so many air weapons come from Turkey, but HPAman's theory is as good as any. I wonder how long manifacturers like Kral and Hatsan will hold out against the tide of Chinese equivalents?
I don't know why so many air weapons come from Turkey, but HPAman's theory is as good as any. I wonder how long manifacturers like Kral and Hatsan will hold out against the tide of Chinese equivalents?
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You must have done zero research before buying that gun. Not that it’s a bad gun, but it was absolutely no secret who built it.
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Agreed. I bought it specifically because I knew it was a Kral. Kip at AoA showed me the floor model when they got it in. I was impressed with the quality at the price point. The machining is herrendous but for a $500 rifle you can't expect HW quality.
Also Jsar not a fan.
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I knew a Turkish guy - machinist - from late 90's, he step out from a (today) ITAR company and he made a machine shop. Shortly - talking middle to late 2000's he sold a shop (Canada here) and went back to Turkey and built a new shop there. He got very busy on a L3 program.
Turks for decades were working in Germany, learning and transferring knowledge and money back home to Turkey.
{{Do not underestimate the products they make in Turkey and lately in China, also, or better do not overestimate the products made in US. No I am not a Turk nor Chinese, but I was here and there (on engineering contracts) and I have seen things.}}
Poland, Slovenia, Czechs, Serbia have a long history of fine metal fabrications, and you would be surprised what airguns Russians building which will never be exported to Western world, they have their name it - some sort of ITAR regulations as well.
Turks for decades were working in Germany, learning and transferring knowledge and money back home to Turkey.
{{Do not underestimate the products they make in Turkey and lately in China, also, or better do not overestimate the products made in US. No I am not a Turk nor Chinese, but I was here and there (on engineering contracts) and I have seen things.}}
Poland, Slovenia, Czechs, Serbia have a long history of fine metal fabrications, and you would be surprised what airguns Russians building which will never be exported to Western world, they have their name it - some sort of ITAR regulations as well.
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So Crosman didn’t make Kral retool I take it. I like my Kral but it is rough compared to quality guns. Some things fixable, some not without a milling machine. I’m glad Crosman offers these guns at a decent price. If I was just getting into the hobby, I would buy one.
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Well, as long as we're on the subject, eastern EU, Israel, Turkey air rifles, don't have slave labor camps imprisoning over a million Uighurs in molding/sweat shops making parts for the communist government run businesses. More than likely at the least, some plastic parts in Chinese ag are made in slave labor camps, as 58% of all plastic molding done in China is by the Uighurs in slave labor camps . Every Chinese company is at least 50% owned by the government. The Chinese founder/owner of Aliexpress was missing for a month recently and now is reported to be in custody at a re-education camp, whatever that is...
Huge difference made in China to made in Turkey. But hey the longevity is now there in many of Chinese products, just look at how long this pandemic is lasting...
Not saying the other countries we've been talking about are towers of virtue, but at least no forced slave labor for the government.
"The latest report titled “Uyghurs For Sale”, from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, reveals a vast network of companies complicit in the mass detention of Uighurs and other Turkic people. ASPI stated that it had found “27 factories in 9 Chinese provinces that are using Uyghur labor transferred from Xinjiang since 2017. Those factories claim to be part of the supply chain of 83 well-known global brands.”
Hey, I'm American with Austrian descent, for many generations, and have no dog in this hunt, just saying its wrong to compare China products with the eastern EU, Turkey, Israel...
But ya, wish Crosman would make them here for sure... But at least all Engineering/design/warranty/customer service/shipping is done in/from NY.
jmo
Huge difference made in China to made in Turkey. But hey the longevity is now there in many of Chinese products, just look at how long this pandemic is lasting...
Not saying the other countries we've been talking about are towers of virtue, but at least no forced slave labor for the government.
"The latest report titled “Uyghurs For Sale”, from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, reveals a vast network of companies complicit in the mass detention of Uighurs and other Turkic people. ASPI stated that it had found “27 factories in 9 Chinese provinces that are using Uyghur labor transferred from Xinjiang since 2017. Those factories claim to be part of the supply chain of 83 well-known global brands.”
Hey, I'm American with Austrian descent, for many generations, and have no dog in this hunt, just saying its wrong to compare China products with the eastern EU, Turkey, Israel...
But ya, wish Crosman would make them here for sure... But at least all Engineering/design/warranty/customer service/shipping is done in/from NY.
jmo
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Inmates in US prison sitting in front of the TV all day? I don't know, just asking, because in Eastern EU the accommodation and food cost need to be self sustaining...
I had a friend of my back in 80's he refuse to pay some larger speed ticket and ended up with some fight in a courtroom, he was working two months on a potato land
OK that was back than, today may be different but not much.
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Starting to sound like an off topic thread in here
You see so many Turkish guns because Turkey is able to produce affordable guns that compete with Chinese made airguns. The market can’t get enough of these cheaper guns so companies keep importing them. If that Cayden was made in USA it would cost a few hundred more
You see so many Turkish guns because Turkey is able to produce affordable guns that compete with Chinese made airguns. The market can’t get enough of these cheaper guns so companies keep importing them. If that Cayden was made in USA it would cost a few hundred more
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Yep and I will take a Turkish gun over a Chinagun after owning quite a few of each. There is a slight edge in workmanship. They also seem to not get in over their head on trying to create a wonder gun using caveman tools.
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