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If your the best you don't have another company make barrels for you. You make them.
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Daisy? Crosman??? GAMO and Norica and Cometa and Snow Peak/Artemis and XISICO and Listone and CZ and BSA and HW and FX? CROSMAN???
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None of the above, do you honestly think the makers of the best airguns in the World have other companies make their regulators and or barrels? Would you think Ferrari would be as good if they had Citroen make their engines?

I'm not saying what the best is, just saying what the best isn't.
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On the other hand there are standout names in the industry known for crafting the best, or equal to the best, parts in that particular genre. For example, If one were to compare Bartlein barrels(and a few other Co's) which are Co's that specialise in top quality air gauged match barrels, which include many world records in various rifle competitions throughout the world, you would see a notable difference in capability which is directly related to the quality that these barrels are made with if compared to a mass produced barrel, many of those produced in house. It has been said that the heart of a rifle is the barrel, barrel isn't great then records won't be set. This is not to say that there aren't accurate mass produced barrels but they aren't common. BTW often a big name sponsored shooter will have a cherry picked mass produced barrel if they are using that sponsored brands barrels.

The standout name theme carries into other parts that make the "whole". From what I've seen it's either a highly massaged and tuned air rifle which include the replacing of key parts with superior aftermarket parts, or a gun like a Thomas, which was made to the highest standards to begin with, that sets BR records, and I'll leave the readers to guess what barrel has shot that 249/250 at 100Y with slugs. Hint, it's not mass produced, nor made in house, and neither was the regulator. 

A top fuel dragster custom engine nets 11,000 HP - which is a just a little more than a 700 HP Ferrari engine makes.

Not picking on you Glem but I did want to point some things out.
 
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If your the best you don't have another company make barrels for you. You make them.
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Daisy? Crosman??? GAMO and Norica and Cometa and Snow Peak/Artemis and XISICO and Listone and CZ and BSA and HW and FX? CROSMAN???
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None of the above, do you honestly think the makers of the best airguns in the World have other companies make their regulators and or barrels? Would you think Ferrari would be as good if they had Citroen make their engines?

I'm not saying what the best is, just saying what the best isn't.
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On the other hand there are standout names in the industry known for crafting the best, or equal to the best, parts in that particular genre. For example, If one were to compare Bartlein barrels(and a few other Co's) which are Co's that specialise in top quality air gauged match barrels, which include many world records in various rifle competitions throughout the world, you would see a notable difference in capability which is directly related to the quality that these barrels are made with if compared to a mass produced barrel, many of those produced in house. It has been said that the heart of a rifle is the barrel, barrel isn't great then records won't be set. This is not to say that there aren't accurate mass produced barrels but they aren't common. BTW often a big name sponsored shooter will have a cherry picked mass produced barrel if they are using that sponsored brands barrels.

The standout name theme carries into other parts that make the "whole". From what I've seen it's either a highly massaged and tuned air rifle which include the replacing of key parts with superior aftermarket parts, or a gun like a Thomas, which was made to the highest standards to begin with, that sets BR records, and I'll leave the readers to guess what barrel has shot that 249/250 at 100Y with slugs. Hint, it's not mass produced, nor made in house, and neither was the regulator. 

A top fuel dragster custom engine nets 11,000 HP - which is a just a little more than a 700 HP Ferrari engine makes.

Not picking on you Glem but I did want to point some things out.
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Fair enough, its an opinion thing and I think you're missing the point about the Ferrari well clearly you are the dragster isn't a production vehicle and isn't a horsepower pissing contest its about everything being made in house at least the key components. And I have respect for that, for me it holds merit.

My point is there is no one brand that makes the best gun for all aspects of the sport, how do I get a hold of a Thomas big bore for hunting African game? Is there maybe a better gun for that discipline? That's my point, its a ridiculous question who makes the best airgun. Who makes the best shoes, hats or trucks? Its subjective, no one truck is best for everything.


 
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If your the best you don't have another company make barrels for you. You make them.
Click to expand...

Daisy? Crosman??? GAMO and Norica and Cometa and Snow Peak/Artemis and XISICO and Listone and CZ and BSA and HW and FX? CROSMAN???
Click to expand...


None of the above, do you honestly think the makers of the best airguns in the World have other companies make their regulators and or barrels? Would you think Ferrari would be as good if they had Citroen make their engines?

I'm not saying what the best is, just saying what the best isn't.
Click to expand...

On the other hand there are standout names in the industry known for crafting the best, or equal to the best, parts in that particular genre. For example, If one were to compare Bartlein barrels(and a few other Co's) which are Co's that specialise in top quality air gauged match barrels, which include many world records in various rifle competitions throughout the world, you would see a notable difference in capability which is directly related to the quality that these barrels are made with if compared to a mass produced barrel, many of those produced in house. It has been said that the heart of a rifle is the barrel, barrel isn't great then records won't be set. This is not to say that there aren't accurate mass produced barrels but they aren't common. BTW often a big name sponsored shooter will have a cherry picked mass produced barrel if they are using that sponsored brands barrels.

The standout name theme carries into other parts that make the "whole". From what I've seen it's either a highly massaged and tuned air rifle which include the replacing of key parts with superior aftermarket parts, or a gun like a Thomas, which was made to the highest standards to begin with, that sets BR records, and I'll leave the readers to guess what barrel has shot that 249/250 at 100Y with slugs. Hint, it's not mass produced, nor made in house, and neither was the regulator. 

A top fuel dragster custom engine nets 11,000 HP - which is a just a little more than a 700 HP Ferrari engine makes.

Not picking on you Glem but I did want to point some things out.
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Fair enough, its an opinion thing and I think you're missing the point about the Ferrari well clearly you are the dragster isn't a production vehicle and isn't a horsepower pissing contest its about everything being made in house at least the key components. And I have respect for that, for me it holds merit.

My point is there is no one brand that makes the best gun for all aspects of the sport, how do I get a hold of a Thomas big bore for hunting African game? Is there maybe a better gun for that discipline? That's my point, its a ridiculous question who makes the best airgun. Who makes the best shoes, hats or trucks? Its subjective, no one truck is best for everything.

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Yep, no one solution is perfect for different purposes, or for that matter any purpose, such is life in an imperfect world. 

Though there's definitely "superiors solutions" for pretty much anything.

Some things drive me nuts, the top negative in the AG world for me is POI shifts, I hate @#$%^&*() it!!!! I'd rather have a gun that is moderately precise lacking POI shifts than a super precise one that has POI shifts. 


 
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Whatever gun is in my hands and I'm shooting is the best in the world at that point. There are days, my Marauder is the best gun in the world. Other days, my 1701P is the best gun in the world. Other days, it's that cheap Beeman pistol, the P17. It just all depend on the mood I'm in and what the need is that moment.

Believe it or not, I really like the $30 P17. While I wish it were easier to cock, it's simple, pretty accurate, and it works. Other days when I want to hit something at 100 yards, it's the Impact. Just depends.


 
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Now to glue together all the great "bits" put in various comments (without references to avoid glory or shame).

I want my airguns to achieve a different goals than at least 50 percent of the airgun shooters out there. I want it accurate, and VERY economical on the use of air. Weight is less of an issue for me. Beauty is what an air rifle does, and not how much admiration it nets from strangers who have never shot an air rifle.

The "perfect for me/BEST" has never been produced in my price range. Cost is also part of my consideration.

For me, the Best is one which starts with a solid platform, and can be reasonably upgraded and modified to MEET my above goals. It does not contain electronic gizmos, and has parts which can be rebuilt, remanufactured, or easily available on the domestic market. Over my years on the planet, I have bought many items which got "orphaned" due to a manufacture changing direction, or simply going out of business. Once they go out of business, that 15 dollar part, becomes a 150 dollar specialty item in many cases. Let us not pretend that airgun manufacturers Don't go out of business, it most certainly happens. It happens just as often with the VERY high end companies, as much as the mid-range and low-range market (perhaps even more often). 

I realize that those who are less technical/mechanical, may simply desire something (at any cost), which achieves their goals. They have a totally different "best". 
 
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