Which part is the air gun? Pointless thread alert!

[zebra]

How many parts can you change on an air gun before it is no longer considered the same gun?

If I took an FX Wildcat, for example, and changed the barrel to a LW barrel, I think people would still consider it to be a Wildcat even though ST barrels are an FX trademark and a gun's accuracy comes from the barrel.

it would still be a Wildcat in my eyes if I replaced the stock with an aftermarket one and the stock is what makes it look like a Wildcat...

In a more extreme example, let's say I bought a Marauder. I replace the barrel with a Marmot militia one. I replace the air tube with a bottle adapter and bottle. I replace the stock with one of WAR's aluminum bottle chassis system stocks, the valve with a high power one plus a depinger, replace the hammer with their lightweight hammer and... then I add a regulator. 

Now this gun looks, sounds and performs nothing like a Marauder but... if someone tried to sell it to me, I would still consider it to be a marauder. The only way most people would pay $1,000+ for a used Marauder is if you gold plated it 2" thick. On the other hand I would have no trouble selling a used Wildcat for $1000, even if I made it perform like a stock Marauder. 

I think that the only thing you could change that would change the guns identity is the action / breach assembly. If it no longer accepted Marauder mags and cocked like a Marauder, it would be something else.

Then again, if I bought a Crossman 2240 pistol and replaced the action with a custom multi shot breach that used Marauder Mags, it would still be sold as a "custom 2240". Even if I replaced the 2240 frame it would (and does) retain it's original title (albeit with the caveat of "heavily customized"). You could change every part of a 2240 and it would never lose it's label...

Ah... I give up... I just gave myself a headache.

 

[T3PRanch]

Your thinking too much. Go shoot something and FORGET!!!!

Alternately listen to this song:

Thurmond

 

[zebra]

You're right. It's been snowing here so there has been nothing to shoot for a few days. 

I found a great 200 yard range 30 mins from my house but it's not open again until Thursday. Time for some diy projects...

 

[NMshooter]

Zebra,
If you just read my post to JimNM, the point really is that some of us want to learn how to work on PCPs and would rather screw up a $400 rifle than a $1500.00 in the process. Also for guys that have tight budgets, they can get a rifle to shoot like the $1500 rifle for around $700-800 (in regards to the .25 Marauder). I had a guy that has shot or guided on over 250 elk kills absolutely love my Marauder. He shot over 7 PCP's that day. My .22 Marauder beat a few big names in the 25 m at Extreme Benchrest. Resale is the last thing on my mind. Unlike others, I will most likely not sell my Marauder but have it to share with others when shooting. For people who understand what is done, we will pay a little more. Those who do this, understand we will not get everything back. However, most of AJshoots rifles sold the same day he listed them. The 30 cal sold in less than 12 hours! I believe people understand these were not "just a Marauder"
I think AJshoots bought just about every Crosman product on the market and made them better. Why? because he wanted to learn; and he developed the smarts to do it. I guess these rifles are like the VW Bug. People are either into them or they are not. People that don't, can't understand why you would spend that much time on a "bucket of bolts". I believe that would be you, Zebra.
When it is you and not FX, Daystate, or the rest that developed this rifle to shoot lights out, it is quite satisfying. No offense, but it makes it all that sweeter to shoot my Marauder because some people "just don't get it". I am certain Bug owners feel the same. Drove a 1972 bug in college, loved that car. LOL. I just canceled an order for a $1700 rifle, I got to shoot one ahead of time and hated it. Just ordered a .25 Marauder yesterday, Why? just told ya.
NM
PS- It really is just personal preference, this has given me a good chuckle, no offense intended Zebra, I am certain you are still shaking your head LOL!

 

[I_Like_Irons]

The part that has the serial number would be the thing that makes it that particular airgun. Now if there is no serial numbered part, then who knows. It could be any particular part then.

However, unlike firearms (in the U.S.) the manufacturer does not need to explicitly state what part is the receiver. For with firearms (in the U.S.) that is the part which is the firearm. The barrel, stock, lockwork, bolts, etc. are just parts. 

 

[Dairyboy]

I'm with NMshooter I have had a few Mrods and Discos and not one ever remained stock why? I like to tinker and make a cheap gun better regardless of what I might put into it. My .25 Mrod is one of my favorite guns! I got a bottled .30 just from Aaron that shoots great and I had a .22 Mrod I did all kinds of stuff to that I regret selling. However I do have a .22 Mutant and it was fun just to mount a scope and just have fun with it no working on it. However that's as far into the high-end guns I want to get until the Mutants come out with other calibers. Other than that I'll enjoy my modded Mrods cause they flat out shoot and are still cheaper than others. But hey to each there own and there's no problem with that!

 

[addertooth]

My 25 Marauder still has the original breech, trigger group, stock, barrel and shroud. However, the adjustment cap, hammer spring, hammer, valve and transfer port are no longer original. I still consider it a Marauder, just one that gives me triple the shots at a slightly higher FPE. Now if I ever replace the sear.....

 

[zebra]

I wish we could just build our own air guns from off the shelf high end components like people do with firearms for custom rifles. I want to be able to choose my own features without compromise. 

I couldn't find any business that sold components like that. There are various stores that sell parts to make cheap custom pistols on 2240 frames and there are various upgrades for Marauders and Airforce guns but nothing high end. 


With firearms you can start with a custom action and then choose everything from the type of trigger you like to the barrel, what it's chambered for etc. I like that. I particularly like the idea of being able to choose not to have any cheap brass components or other low strength metals etc.

I get jealous every time I read that PB blog "what the pros use". 

I'd make a high capacity regulated bottle bullpup with a premium single stage trigger and Benchmark barrel. 

I might be the only person in the whole air gun world that doesn't like two-stage triggers so I need my own air gun design!