What's the minimum magnification you like at....

Hi All, 

What's the minimum magnification that you like on your scopes at say... 10, 50, or 100 yards? 

Realistically, I shoot under 50 yards most of the time and am considering getting an SWFA fixed power scope. 

I think the 6x would probably enough for most of the shooting I do, but am wondering if I should get a 10x (or higher). At 10x though, I'm worried it's going to be annoying to try to sight and shoot quickly with a smaller field of view. 


 
The SWFA SS 3-15s are fantastic. Had a low fixed 6x or 8x forgot exactly which one a while back and off it went. I need to see my target holes on paper at 50 yards. If I were to get a fixed SS it would be a 20x and probably suffer. I had a 10x different brand and off it went as well. The variable is good for bench at 15x or off hand at 3x or anything in between for target and hunting. I'm preferring at least 5-20x and 6-24x and 4.5-27x and 4.5-30x and recently 10-50x but that's just me. I get better precision with the higher magnification scopes especially at 50 yards. YO!
 
I guess it depends on what you are shooting at those yardages. If hunting, you can get away with the lower powers. If you are paper shooting, it gets much harder under 8x. 

I have compared several of my rifles side by side before shooting at 50yds, to see how much the optics helped. It gets very hard to see stuff on paper at just 50yds with low power. Open sights, I can hardly see what is on the paper, if at all depending on the targets. With my 4-12 hunting scope, I can see the targets fine and 10x is plenty. Many will tell you that a scope with up to 15-20x will be all you will ever need. Many will have a 20-25x and never leave the 15-18x range out to 100yds or more. With my 4.5-27 or 7-35 or 10-50, I can see much better, and I can see the bullet holes, so I can adjust much better. That is important to me, and allows me to go out further and still see the holes in paper. I have loved the scopes that I've owned that go up to 50-60x, but I have done just as well with the ones that go up to 27-35. I have actually gotten rid of all the my scopes that were the really high mags, because I prefer the reticles on the ones in the 30x range. There are a ton of scopes in the 6-24 range, and I think there is a good reason for it. It is a pretty good sweet spot.

So, I'll go back to, "It depends on what you are shooting and what you need/want to see". I personally do not like lower powered scopes, unless it is on my hunting rigs. 

And to make sure I answer your question...You mention to sight and shoot quickly, so assuming you are not paper shooting, and are either hunting or shooting PRS/NRL style shooting? I would say minimum I would personally want would be at 50yds is around 6-8x and at 100yds 12-15x.
 
My scope hits that “sweet spot” of 6-24x. While pesting and plinking I’ve used it across its range to see what the reticle looks like and to see how useable it is. And while I might park it at 12x for some shooting sessions. The reason I got an FFP variable scope is so I can use whatever mag suits my need at that moment. IMHO fixed mag scopes make no sense for in the field use, they are way too limiting in use. Hence the invention of variable power scopes.
 
Good question.Off the bags or freehand...big difference,also higher power is longer and heavier..as is multi-power...8power for offhand longer distance,I use 6 to 7 power for 25yds,4 also works...14power or more off the bags at 50yds...more than 20power at 100 yds....I have used lower power plenty of times with no problem,also used a spotting scope...

It is a Balance....what works best for You and the situation. 50 yds you do not need over 20 power,I used 12 power...I think you do need more than 10power...

100 yds is 2x as far...then if I was you at 50yds or under get the lightest sharpest scope you can afford...I like simple,I do not want Needles things on it....Leupold,Burris and other American named brands for me....Japanese,Philippines and Europe make good scopes to...










 
IMHO fixed mag scopes make no sense for in the field use, they are way too limiting in use. Hence the invention of variable power scopes.



Leon, 😊

well said! 👍🏼

▪When my shooting is at ranges that often change — variable magni is the answer. 😄 



▪When I don't want to switch scopes all the time — variable magni is the answer. 😄



▪When I choose not to own a lot of guns (not going down the "One-gun-for-each-type-of-shooting") — that is, when I want an all-round gun with an allround scope — variable mangi is the answer. 😄





🔶 The magnification at the BOTTOM END — for an allround scope

I think this really is not so much about the magnification — and more about the field of view (FoV): For quick target acquisition at close range shots when stalking I need to be able to get the quarry into view quickly. That critter at 11 yards won't give me much time...!

Personally, I find a FoV of 30ft at 100 yards to be sufficient. 25ft is already getting a bit tight.

For a 30ft FoV (at 100y) you'll need a bottom end of 4x or 3x, usually. Do check the FoV in the scope specs though, because I've seen scopes that (at 3x) had a FoV of 42ft — whereas others only had 26ft!). 



➔ Once I determine the bottom end of the magni — I realize that the options are much more limited. That's why the bottom end is the first decision I make. Then I determine top end magni.





🔶 The magnification at the TOP END — for an allround scope

The top end depends on whether I want to (1) only see the target for hitting it

(2) or if I also want to see my hits.... 😊



For (1) the magni doesn't have to be very large — unless your eyes have been getting up in years.

For (2) you'll need much more magni.... And/or a scope that has pretty good glass (=$$).



Personally, for my not-super-young-anymore eyes I'll need 16x minimum to barely see hits at 100y paper targets — in mediocre lighting conditions. Your mileage will vary.... 😄

However, it'd be nice to get 20x or 24x magni, for those longer shots, or to see my hits better. And they say, "Aim small, miss small."







🔶 Availability — in the price range of $500 and under

▪Looking at what scopes are out there that fit those bare minimum requirements.... — there are plenty of 4-16x out there.

If my emphasis was a bit more on close range hunting — I'd prefer a 3-16x or 3-18x — this shrinks the choices a lot.

If my emphasis was a bit more on long range, or my eyes need some extra help 4-20x or 4-24x would be my preference — the amount of choices is smaller yet than the 3-18x.



Matthias



Attachment 1: Here's my Scope Specs Table for scopes with 4x or less at the bottom end, and 16x or more at the top end.

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Attachment 2: Here's a visual comparsion of different magnification ranges in a simple table.

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IMHO fixed mag scopes make no sense for in the field use, they are way too limiting in use. Hence the invention of variable power scopes.



Leon, 😊

well said! 👍🏼

▪When my shooting is at ranges that often change — variable magni is the answer. 😄 



▪When I don't want to switch scopes all the time — variable magni is the answer. 😄



▪When I choose not to own a lot of guns (not going down the "One-gun-for-each-type-of-shooting") — that is, when I want an all-round gun with an allround scope — variable mangi is the answer. 😄





🔶 The magnification at the BOTTOM END — for an allround scope

I think this really is not so much about the magnification — and more about the field of view (FoV): For quick target acquisition at close range shots when stalking I need to be able to get the quarry into view quickly. That critter at 11 yards won't give me much time...!

Personally, I find a FoV of 30ft at 100 yards to be sufficient. 25ft is already getting a bit tight.

For a 30ft FoV (at 100y) you'll need a bottom end of 4x or 3x, usually. Do check the FoV in the scope specs though, because I've seen scopes that (at 3x) had a FoV of 42ft — whereas others only had 26ft!). 



➔ Once I determine the bottom end of the magni — I realize that the options are much more limited. That's why the bottom end is the first decision I make. Then I determine top end magni.





🔶 The magnification at the TOP END — for an allround scope

The top end depends on whether I want to (1) only see the target for hitting it

(2) or if I also want to see my hits.... 😊



For (1) the magni doesn't have to be very large — unless your eyes have been getting up in years.

For (2) you'll need much more magni.... And/or a scope that has pretty good glass (=$$).



Personally, for my not-super-young-anymore eyes I'll need 16x minimum to barely see hits at 100y paper targets — in mediocre lighting conditions. Your mileage will vary.... 😄

However, it'd be nice to get 20x or 24x magni, for those longer shots, or to see my hits better. And they say, "Aim small, miss small."







🔶 Availability — in the price range of $500 and under

▪Looking at what scopes are out there that fit those bare minimum requirements.... — there are plenty of 4-16x out there.

If my emphasis was a bit more on close range hunting — I'd prefer a 3-16x or 3-18x — this shrinks the choices a lot.

If my emphasis was a bit more on long range, or my eyes need some extra help 4-20x or 4-24x would be my preference — the amount of choices is smaller yet than the 3-18x.



Matthias



Attachment 1: Here's my Scope Specs Table for scopes with 4x or less at the bottom end, and 16x or more at the top end.

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View attachment 1586965409_10233580505e972ba11f7502.96544711.pdf



Attachment 2: Here's a visual comparsion of different magnification ranges in a simple table.

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Thank you! This is great stuff to dig into... 
 
I had an "enlightening" experience with a 3x Crossbow scope I had on diana 48. It was an absolute joy to shoot out to about 40 yards. Given the distances you mentioned, I suspect the 6x would be fine. I currently have the SWFA 16x SS and like it quite a bit. The mil-quad is a joy to use and I just did a tracking test on it yesterday and it was dead on. The only negatives are that it's a bit darker than I was hoping for and you do have to work to line your eye up just right. I suspect the 6x and 10x would be better in these areas.

This is not a great pic, but this is a 8.5x11 target at 65 yards with my 16x.



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