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I kinda agree with you Centercut as I was one of the guy's that scored the targets at the Pyramyd Cup this summer and ALL of the guys that did well shot MANY MANY sighters.!! BUT that being said I'm sure the top shooters with Daystates had a good supply of loaded magazines on there benches during the scoring rounds but the FX Impact seems to always be the prevalent rifle used when it comes to 100 yard bench rest shooting for some reason. Also I'm not an FX fan boy , just calling them as I see it! 😁 By the way, Great shooting this year !! 👍 J.L.
 
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AoA had a fallout with FX , they run an event where Daystate rifles are the majority and then 8/10 top ten 100 ebr finalist are FX rifles. Hence they don’t list rifles used.... I am sure if they were Daystate it would be listed.
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I didn't want to say it, but I sure thought it. I think everyone is probably thinking it. 

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i didn’t want to say it either but pretty obvious.

RW, Impact , RAW are all capable of winning EBR. All one needs is practice , wind reading and a bit of luck. 

Look at the guy who won using a .22.

Centercut does make a good observation regarding the use of high capacity magazine and Daystates poor performance when using a magazine so most are single feed.
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It was my first EBR or air rifle competition period. I shot a Redwolf HP .22 with a Vortex Golden Eagle scope, I shot a 233 qualification in the second 75 yard round of the sportsman class. I think that's the 5 best card of the event, so my Daystate Redwolf in .22 can compete with ALL these FX's in .30 I seem to be hearing about. Gun+shooter+pellet= success, its the combination of ALL 3 in synce at any given time no matter what you shoot. My hats off to all those who shot the event, whatever they shot. It was interesting seeing all the different rifles people chose to shoot, none of which I had ever seen in person and I did notice a lot were shooting .30, but as I only own two Daystates, a Regal .22 and a Redwolf .22, I choose to shoot the Redwolf.I agree with Centercut that any accurate rifle with a high BC pellet can win. The flavor of the month now seems to be the .30 FX's
 
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I'll share, I shot my Daystate red wolf .22 high power shooting 25 grain redesigned out of the tin, no sorting or weighing, I barely looked at the skirts. Scope was a sightron 10-50x60 I pulled of my field target gun the week before the match. At the 75 yard qualifiers I came out 1st in my relay and 2nd overall sportsman class. Didn't shoot so well in the main 100 yard match but had a blast. I shot out of a single shot tray, only because I have only one magazine. Next time I will have mags loaded as when the wind is constant I would like to send it as quick as possible. I don't see any accuracy issues shooting with my one magazine. This was my first EBR and learned a lot from the shooters. 

On the 50 yard shooting I had a major air leak and saw pressure dropping as I was waiting for the fire command. I took a few sighters then had to get my 25 shots off before I ran out of air and got a bunch of zeros. By my 25th shot I was having to hold 1.5 to 2 moa for elevation do to pressure drop. Still fun, like speed silo on paper...

Dave
 
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I'll share, I shot my Daystate red wolf .22 high power shooting 25 grain redesigned out of the tin, no sorting or weighing, I barely looked at the skirts. 

Dave
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Weighing and sorting pellets... what’s that? ;)

I see this all the time with 75 and 100 yards. It is apples and oranges, night and day. I didn’t even shoot well enough at 75 yards to qualify for the finals in Pro. But my 100 yard score was good enough for 5th place in Pro, only 2 points behind third place. It’s one of the reasons I like the qual rounds to be 100 yards. Totally different animal than 75 yards... Look at all the shooters in Pro that kicked butt in 75 yet didn’t come within 20 points of the winner in the 100 yard final. And conditions for the final Sunday were easy... In fact, conditions were so easy I thought my card sucked after I scope scored it at 215-4X. I thought I should have shot at least 225... I even told my friends (Bill, James, Carl and Dave) at the awards banquet that I thought my score of 217-4X was only “OK”. They all told me they thought I was going to win Sportsman with that card. Guess they were right. :)
 
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.22 Redesigns at above 1000fps is my new set up. Shot a R5M long but want more speed.
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Great looking Eddy you had there. So tell me, at 1000 fps, your Eddy with RD Monsters is more accurate than at 925, 950, or 975 I would assume? Is this why you want more speed, better accuracy? Just curious... Thanks!

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Yes. With Redesigns the more speed the better they fly.

Redesigns at 1000 fps really do have several advantages. While .25 and .30's loose accuracy over 900, RD's just keep flying straighter. Their high speed and small caliber are able to poke threw the wind more like a needle. While your .30 just plows threw it with it's weight. Two different philosophies ended up with each a win in the two divisions. (You with a .30 bulldozer, and Rusbear with a .22 needle.)
 
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Yes. With Redesigns the more speed the better they fly. Redesigns at 1000 fps really do have several advantages.
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Thanks. I have a .22 EDGun R3 Long that shoots the RD Monsters at 925 FPS. I’ve never considered shooting then faster and it wouldn’t be that hard to increase the speed 100 FPS. I’ll give it a try since it’s already MOA at 100 yards.
 
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Why is no one talking about Nikoli shooting single shot with very few sighters and flags?, that certain shooters say flags aren’t really needed because you just shoot 100 sighters! I saw two shooter’s at the PAcup that shot very similar one was Abby Casey the other gentleman (Don’t remember his name?) he was shooting a air arms S510 in .25 cal. Both were in the top 7 or 8th place, seems to contradict what most 100 shooters believe is needed to win!
 
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Yes, impressive performance. It’s hard to tell just how many sighters Nicolay took, since I couldn’t tell from his videos. I think I took around 35 or 36, and thats way on the low end of the average I’m sure (I shot seven 9 shot magazines total). FYI, the conditions for the final were relatively easy. I thought the scores would be much higher.... I had my wind flag at about 40 yards, and many times when it showed me I should hold right on or hold right, I still had to hold a little left. Winds were mild but swirling up and down the range...
 
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Nicolay did use wind flags shooting 75 and 100 yards but I have no idea about how many sighters he shot. I did notice many targets that had a whole bunch of sighters riddeling the targets at the bottom of the card. Some use alot of sighters and no wind flags with some success and some no so much, and some use alot of sighters and wind flags with some success and some not so much. There is no set in stone method, to each his own, but the proof is in the results. I am learning from a national champion who always uses wing flags,to use and learn to read the wind by using wind flags because the wind is your friend if you do...
 
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Ya I didn’t word it very well, I meant he did use flags they were crude. But effective! You could see from his video not that many sighters were used, and yes the conditions seemed pretty consistent? Looked like pretty much right to left when sighting in then switched up on him! all this with a head wind to boot .. ouch! not much vertical though? but kind of hard to tell from his vid. Those .22 holes are hard to see at a 100 plus his scope was fairly low powered I believe? In the end doesn’t really matter I guess, I wasn’t there and everybody shoot’s the style they are comfortable with! I shoot a lot like he does but couldn’t even make the finals at the PAcup.... And yes sometimes the wind can be your friend and push them pellets right into the bull when you miss a condition😳 
 
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And please understand, this post isn't meant as an insult to Daystate, far from it actually, it is just trying to highlight some of the factors which would make it very very challenging for a small company like Daystate to really go out and start building rifles just to compete with FX at a handful of benchrest competitions in the United States. It really would be an uphill battle, especially since almost all the best shooters are now very comfortable with their highly modular FX rifles, and would likely stick with them as FX could simply respond to any Daystate competition with a handful of upgrade parts rather than needing a new bespoke rifle. 


I hope all that seems fair and makes at least some form of sense.
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STO, I don't know who you are or if you're in the airgun business or not but that is the best summary of the Daystate/FX story I have seen. I didn't know the Daystates weren't made in England but that adds even more to their "handicap". I have both the Crown and the Red Wolf and my feeling is that if they could get together, they could make one hell of an airgun. I saw the FX mag in the Red Wolf at EBR and it probably won't be too long before Daystate gets the mag situation sorted out but the barrel situation is a killer. Even the top barrel makers in the powder burning world aren't consistently perfect. It's always a process of testing to find that perfect barrel. I saw where Matt was testing at FX and says "let's change the choke a little like this" and a few hours later he has a new barrel to test. You can't even begin to put a dollar value on that kind of support. 

I'm surprised that someone like SPAW hasn't tested converting the Red Wolf to accept the new FX Crown barrel system. I would pay for that to be done on mine right now for sure. And add a couple more screws to secure the barrel in the action too. My new 22 RW HP from UA would not shoot worth anything when I received it. AoA did send me a new barrel under warranty but without the programmer it's not acceptable. Plus only having 3 possible power levels to tune to isn't acceptable either.

Anyway, great explanation. Thank you very much for that. I hope it gets Daystate thinking about the future a little more.


 
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Daystate doesn't make a bench target rifle, they make hunting rifles, that also some use as bench target rifles with great success. Daystates bread and butter will never be bench rest shooting, it was never intended to be, At this point in time it seems, from what I've read, FX's in .30 with all the bells and whistles, switchable barrels ect. is the rifle being pushed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some people swear by Ford, some by Chevrolet, air rifles are no different.Shoot what you like, that's your choice. I have a Daystate hunting rifle that a .22, that also does a pretty good job at bench rest...but I know it's no bench rest rifle, just like my friends 1000RAW, is no hunting rifle you can drag thru the woods.
 
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AoA had a fallout with FX , they run an event where Daystate rifles are the majority and then 8/10 top ten 100 ebr finalist are FX rifles. Hence they don’t list rifles used.... I am sure if they were Daystate it would be listed.
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I think if we’re only talking the main event, you are correct. But looking at overall EBR events tells a different story and shows Daystate comfortably at the top...

Taking the first, second and third place positions across all EBR events, the manufacturers’ scores ranked as follows:

Air Force – 3
American Air Arms – 2
Daystate – 17
FX – 13
Kalibr – 1
PitBull – 1
Rapid Air Weapons – 2
RusBear customized Jaeger – 3
RTI – 1
Thomas – 1
 
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