what kind of scope should i get high end or low end scope

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blacksword

blacksword

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My bulldog357 got sent out to be fix I am happy but give time to look for a scope I dont know if any one on this site talk about scope I was thinking about getting low end scope to start off like ao scope for 29.99 then work way up to more better scope this topic I promise so tell me about your scope what best or cheap scope that work great 
 
Buy the best you can afford! Good scopes are expensive but well worth it. I just bought an Athlon Argos 8-34x56 BTR and absolutely love it. Great buy for the money.

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Blacksword,
I suspect several people are trying to help you avoid a common trap. If most people who have been shooting for a year were honest, they would tell you stories of their previously failed scope choices. I have a graveyard of scopes which will never be put on an airgun again... EVER.
It isn't because those scopes are mechanically broken, they just disappointed me in some basic way. I have also watched as people start with air rifles which were not phenomenally accurate. Later, they progressed to more expensive, and more accurate airguns. Although the old scope was as accurate as their first airgun, they realized the cheaper scope was holding them back with their newer (and more accurate) air rifle.
I will throw in one thing, if you are never planning to every buy another air rifle, never buy a scope which is stupendously more accurate then your air gun. I would not put a Leupold scope on a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun.
For the record, I also have the .357 Bulldog. It currently has an Athlon Argos scope on it. It is a configured for twilight hunting. It is more accurate than my Bulldog, but not tragically so. Picture below.

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I had the hunter pack originally with the Bulldog, which had a cheap 56mm objective Center Point scope. It had such horrible Chromatic Aberrations (rainbow effect when looking at a black and white target), I could not bear it. It had all of the nice features (side parallax, 4 to 16 magnification, large objective lens for light gathering 30mm tube, locking turrets), but the actual image through it was objectionable. The beartrap-style bipod was also objectionable, as it gave me a rather bad laceration when it snapped shut on me one time. It had to go as well. A picture of the Bulldog originally.

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With scopes, you NEVER get more than what you paid for... but you CAN get less than what you paid for.
 
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Skip the cheap stuff. I've got scopes starting at $50 and up, and after going "Moderate" in the cost category, that'd bee $350, I'll never go back to cheap again. Example, I have a BSA 6-24x40. Anything past 18 isn't usable as I can never get my eye lined up with the scope. Resolution is bad, you know the drill. Paid $69 for it on sale at Christmas a couple years ago. I didn't expect a fantastic scope, but at least usable.

Then I bought a BSA 4-14x44 FFP. Usable through all magnifications. Paid about $200 for that one. It's on my Marauder and works great. Good glass, good resolution, and excellent scope.

Next, finally sprung for an Athlon 6-24x50. This is by far the best glass of all my scopes. $350 range, usable through all magnifications, etc. Best resolution, etc.

In scope, to a point, you get what you pay for. Go cheap, open sights are better IMHO. Go with a bit better glass, and you'll really see the difference. Not sure if Vortex is worth the absolute premium they charge, but Vortex warranty, basically you destroy the scope, we replace it compared to the BSA Warranty,(look up Joe Wayne Rhea's video on that one) does make the Vortex a better buy at 3 times the price.

Oh, fixed power scopes will be a bit less expensive than variables for the same magnification. Simpler design, less elements, and such. I find I pick a magnification on my variable scopes and stick with it. I forget I can change and really don't get the benefit out of the variable. Might consider a fixed for the first "Higher End" scope to save a couple bucks.
 
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dude thoes scope look sweet sit on your bulldog357 right now my bulldog357 in shop be fix thank for pic dude it like gron lol look like you monrtateor on bulldog that is same look on Pitbull site sweet dude love your pic I cant wait my bulldog357 back I look in to thoes scops too thank you did you know the NRA protects air gunner right too little tidbit I know what company's of air gun also deal with NRA because I am also member of the NRA 
 
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Brain:
saw thoes video believe it or not I am looking at thoes scope AOE 50 dollar is sweet as will the battery display scope is awesome red and green red best at night and green at day it have feature of plain fore day time at this point I am not bargainer at air gun's just pcp air gun I have brake barrel TR77 fury black out 2 it does have center point scope center point scope only good for 25 - 50 yards closes up it suck I been luck with it but not get one bulldog357 recoil would brake scope I am checking scope you point out to me thank you
 
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Actually, keeping your (air)gun future in mind, I believe a scope is even more important than the rifle it is sitting on. You can't hit what you can't see.
In my case, I will never compromise when it comes to scopes. I will buy the best I can afford.
Long story short, some of my (higher end) scopes have had over 6 different guns under them.
My rifles change every now and then, but my precious scopes will stay here! :)

cheers,

Gijs
 
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"blacksword"skygear :
are you ask me what country I Am from dude I am from Elmira NY AMREICA if have hard time reading my topic understand I am recheck my writing if following along we talk about scopes high end or low scope what do you think what is batter
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some of your wording isn't structured... Whatever. Not the point. It was me thinking ENGLISH wasn't your first language. Why this is important is because some countries have laws that make certain types of scopes illegal and or for military use only. Just in the size of the objective and or magnification. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws

The Brazilian legislation that regulates the manufacture, import, export, trade, traffic and use of airguns divide them into two groups:
  • airguns by spring action or pre-compressed air (PCP - Pre Charged Pneumatic) of up to 6mm calibre;
  • airguns by spring action or pre-compressed air (PCP - Pre Charged Pneumatic) of calibre exceeding 6mm; or pre-compressed gases that is not breathable air, such as CO2 and others, in any calibre.
Airguns in the first group may be purchased by anyone over 18. Airguns in the second group can only be purchased by people registered in the army, transportation depends on authorization, and usage is allowed only in places approved by the army. Airguns of any kind may not be carried openly. There is no muzzle energy limit for any type or calibre.[2][3]Scopes or any equipment with magnification needs to be registered by the army in the shooter's registry and accompany a traffic authorization, and are allowed to civilians only if under 6 times magnification and with the objective lens smaller than 36 millimeters. Scopes with magnification equal or above 6 times and/or over 35 milimeters, or equipment that mark the target (like laser sights), are restricted to civilians and allowed only for use by the army. The permitted equipment has to be registered in the civilian's document, this process is called "Apostilamento". The document for a shooter's registry is called "Certificado de Registro de Atirador".
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So taking that into consideration, I was going to suggest certain scopes. I agree with the above statements though. Invest in the best scope you can. If I still had a couple of the older ~$200-$300 scopes lying around, I would send you one. 

Invest in quality, you will not be disappointed .
 
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I would have to agree that instead of buying 4 or 7 or 12 cheap scopes looking for a good one (ask me how i know that... sigh) I learned the hard way that I should have followed so many peoples advice and bought a quality scope first. (today a quality scope IMHO starts around $200 minimum. BUT there are still poor scopes that run 300 or 400, it's sometimes a gamble)

The other thing that i heard and ignored but was wrong to is that people buy too much power they never need and can't use.

177, 22, 25: For actual hunting of small game or target I stay under 12 power

25, 35, 45; For hogs and other pest/varmint/feral shooting a good 3 x 9 AO will do the job

I have a shelf of scopes and have not counted but probably over 25... but I have 4 scopes that move from gun to gun and the cheapest one was $320 ten years ago, the unused ones I now consider 'junk' and will never use them again. But I was always looking for that 'good cheap scope' deal and wasted a lot of money
 
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Kinetic45 - I'll agree on the magnification. I have 4-14, 6-24 and 3-9 scopes. The 6-24 is a great quality Athlon, but even there, I spend most of my time on the lower end. I will use it for Bench Rest on the higher magnifications, but the higher you go, the more critical eye alignment is. More difficult to use, and stay on target. Mostly, it just restricts the angle of view to an area so small, it can be extremely difficult to acquire the target. The Athlon is usable at higher magnification, but more difficult to use the higher you go.

Wider field of view and bigger eye box can make all the difference in the world on optics. Learned the hard way, Any scope, high magnification, harder to use. Cheap scopes, high magnification, don't bother. You'll never see anything on the high end.

And beware of cheap, high end scopes on eBay. I called Zeiss a while back and ask about a couple of "Their" scopes I'd found for cheap. All cheap Chinese knockoffs. One of the scopes on eBay even claimed the US Office wouldn't know about this scope because it was made specifically for the oriental market. Make sure you are getting what you think you are getting, and cheap Zeiss on eBay isn't Zeiss. Same goes for some of the other major name brands.

I haven't graduated to extreme high end yet, but moderate will do the job and do it well. Cheap, it'll sit on the shelf.
 
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Once you get past choking on the price tag for the first time, buying a high dollar scope is something you won't ever regret.

My 3rd nice scope will be here in a couple of days. A Hawke FFP scope. My first costly scope was a Hawke Sidewinder 30 SF Tactical 6.5-20x42. Next was an Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50 FFP.

I really love the Hawke, and the Athlon FFP, I just had to have a Hawke FFP scope....should be awesome!
 
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