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Hi everyone. I'm Donnie Reed from Baker Airguns. I'm always trying to improve, and I'm looking for advice on how to improve my videos. What do you want to see in review videos? Do you want all of the stats read to you? Length, weight, and so forth? Do you want to see 5 shot groups, 10 shot groups? Do you want to see video of the groups being shot, or will still images suffice? Do you want to SEE the trigger pull testing, or will just telling you work? What about decibel readings? Do you know the difference between what 85dB and 90dB sounds like...or does a subjective description work?

These are just a few points I could think of quickly. I'm basically asking what your ideal review would be.

I thank you in advance for any help you can give me.

-Donnie
 
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I love your reviews and find you to be honest. I would like to see more hands on about what's good and bad about a rifle. For example pulling out the trigger group and showing us what kind of metal or lube they have used. How to identify failure points like when the manufacturer uses pot metal instead of a quality metal or something like that. There's an awful lot of reviewers out there but very few open up the guns and show you the quality of the craftsmanship. I do appreciate your reviews though. Your honesty has saved me quite a few dollars over the years and I really appreciated your help finding the seals for my dads crosman 312 and the advice. Take it easy.
 
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I love your reviews and find you to be honest. I would like to see more hands on about what's good and bad about a rifle. For example pulling out the trigger group and showing us what kind of metal or lube they have used. How to identify failure points like when the manufacturer uses pot metal instead of a quality metal or something like that. There's an awful lot of reviewers out there but very few open up the guns and show you the quality of the craftsmanship. I do appreciate your reviews though. Your honesty has saved me quite a few dollars over the years and I really appreciated your help finding the seals for my dads crosman 312 and the advice. Take it easy.
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Thank you very much!

Both for the post and the praise.

That's a very good point you bring up.

I'll see if I can't work more of that sort of thing into the videos.

-Donnie
 
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Try to impart as much info as you can by just showing us the results of your testing. 

Example What is the trigger pull weight, don't show the test. Tell us group sizes with various pellets at 55 yards,, don't show the shooting test.. 

All relevant tests could be shown in text/graph/index/footnote/sitemap/specifications format. This allows the viewer to get the info quickly avoiding dead time. Viewers can then put money in your pocket quicker. A win/win for you and consumers.


 
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i agree with others, we don't need to see it all happening. but showing a trigger pull, or one group is kind of fun to watch. but just a single 10 shot group group, then show us how the test rifle did with different pellets/distances in a quick overview or slideshow. as far as the DB, this is the only one i think it is important to show, so we can see indoor/outdoor, distance from gun, equipment used etc.

and agree knowing the pros AND CONS is what i see lacking in youtube reviews overall. dana/mountainsport does a good job of pointing out things he likes and dislikes. i do think as consumers we also need to take into account you are reviewing items that are for sale at baker, so its probably not a great idea to pick apart every little thing about a gun.

i've always wanted to see a review format with a few/couple opinions. what does the benchrest guy think? what does the squirrel hunter think? what does the plinker think? etc. not necessarily those personas specifically, but something like that. as a plinker/hunter, i have different needs than the bench rest guy. 

thank you for the time you put into the videos already, getting us info!
 
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Two guys come to mind quickly -

Steve, from Air Gun Exploration

and

Gregor Kamensek

These two guys do a good job at what they do. They dig pretty deep into the guns that they review. Many guys talk the surface basics, but much of that can be read off of the particular guns web site. Maybe ok for the folks that don't do any real homework on their own...but... You don't need to hit every nut and bolt on the gun, but providing more than just the web site readable info would be a great thing.

The various adjustability's, but...you don't need to "DO" any of the adjusting, just mention it (trigger, power, barrel swapping, etc.) and how it would be done by the owner.



Mike
 
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I prefer actually seeing the guy doing the shooting as well as the shots on target. Honestly, I would easily dismiss claimed groups at claimed distances without seeing it first hand.
I would agree with Raden that I would like to see a disassembled airgun and have someone inspect for quality and show us what to expect if we are buying that airgun. This is probably the BEST way to make your videos stand out from the other guys, as they aren’t looking inside. And I would also think that if a reviewers spotlight begins to be shined on internals and fit and finish then we may eventually start seeing bigger improvements in those areas. It would benefit everyone for that to happen. 
Steve at AEAC and shooter1721 do great videos that are informative and easy to watch. I also really enjoy watching Dana (crosman999) doing his hunt/camp videos. He just gives you the lowdown and actually carries the rifle on a hunt. He is the reason I went ahead and bought the Evol. (My wife doesn’t like me watching his videos anymore.) 


Edit** I also want to jump on the bandwagon with Douger and say that I too want to see groups with more than 5 shots. A 5 shot group with just one flyer... CMON MAN that one flyer represents 20% of the shooting. That’s significant. If you say it’s got a 50 shot string on the power curve then what does the full shot string do? I’d even settle for watching a full string group in fast forward. I think there’s too many guys that review and shoot a crap group and then say “I pulled that one” or “that was me”. If you made a mistake, stop... do it right and don’t record the bull crap. Or don’t try to claim it’s your fault when there’s a bad group, everyone is shooting off a rest for crying out loud. Just let the groups speak for themselves. 
 
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Dont take this the wrong way but I prefer you don't do videos lol. I much prefer a written review with photos. I don't need to waste my time watching somebody shoot groups, unbox a rifle or otherwise stretch out the process. Most times I don't get any further than a few minutes before I turn it off because the reviewer is droning on about irrelevant stuff. 

A well written review with the rifle settings, pellets used, shooting conditions and groups achieved can be condensed into a compact chart that be easily referenced. Tuning instructions, that I can have laid on the bench beside me for reference, is a lot more beneficial than trying to learn from a video when I'm actually trying to set up the rifle. All the features and specifications can be listed in a paragraph or two.
 
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I like the reviews you do already. I do think that some of them could use a little more information as to what was already mentioned but you don’t have to go into way too much detail.Trigger pull weight, shot count,Weight of the gun and accuracy. Maybe 10 shot groups out to 50 yards . And I personally think there are pros and cons to every gun no matter how good the build quality is. You pointed me in the right direction when I bought my Daystate off of you and I appreciated that and I am Very happy with it.I think your reviews are very entertaining and fun to watch.
 
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MMMMM? shooting groups takes time, not showing the actual shooting of the group leads some people not to trust the group. SOOoo perhaps start the shooting video with you in position, finger on trigger, wind flag in the picture, fire the gun and then just show the other holes appearing as the rest of the other 9 pellets pass through the target and eliminate the time in between shots. Range is tough. 25, 50, 100 YDS. I'm happy with 40 or 50 yds. we are group of backyard, 50 yards and 100 yds shooters. That makes it tough on you. Narration of scope model and power setting, pellet make and weight, temp in the winter and hot days. How to adjust the trigger pull, where to stick the allen wrench. power adjustments, other unique attributes of the gun like barrel interchangeability, folding stock ( is it solid, loose, wobbly), magazine, good, difficult, # of shots. air reservoir, alum. cf. or steel. capacity in cc's. show the gun left, right, top bottom.stock and butt. moderator barrel thread ( 1/2- 20). I know that shooting with the scope cameras that show the holes in the target as the are made is intense, I find myself rooting for the shooter, hoping for all shots to touch and form a cluster. A lot of the information could be added to the screen in the corners and eliminate narration. Stock, barrel, caliber, bottle choices. I know that no 2 pellets are the same. Weight, flanges etc and that affects the groups. I like the graphs of shot strings for velocity to see where a gun's velocity drops off. I too like videos by shooter 1721 and Steve of AEAC and "Hold over" TED. I have a lot of respect for Ted, all his efforts and work for our benefit!! I guess try and eliminate time between shots and by either printing info on the screens so we can read it all and take a few notes. I prefer not watching looong shot strings and instead seeing graphs. Just seems that I Trust what is presented by people who have a good reputation and who have a lot to lose by misrepresenting facts. I've no doubt making graphs and insert that plus all the other info into a video screen is troublesome and time consuming. I would not even attempt to do what you and the others are doing. You have taken on a lot just by asking these questions of us, the source of millions of questions. Reasonable one and other ones. I hope you succeed in making your videos appealing to the mass of air gunners who visit this site. Thanks for the effort!! GBGUNNER
 
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Watch Brain from Edgun West’s video on the Lelya. I don’t even know if he shot groups with it because I ordered one before the video was over. He talked about its construction as he tore it apart. You have a tough task trying to please such a diverse group of consumers. Some like to be baffled by bullpoop, some just want the facts about the guns construction. I great review might initially be a long video but I’m sure over time you could figure out how to streamline the process. Watching pellets hit a target might excite some guys but it will be more beneficial for that guy to know what it looks like to take the gun apart. Because he probably eventually will have to. It’s a big factor in the sale of an airgun. Easy to work on or tricky. Manufacturers that make contraptions might not appreciate it but it might make them step up their game. Kudos for asking. Speaks volumes that you don’t assume you know what we all need in a review. A +1 for you.
 
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I enjoy your videos. You have a good demeanor, presentation and sense of humor. Don't change that. As for the other reviewers I watch, I like it when Dana actually says what needs to be improved. Steve does a good job with shot shot string graphs. Shooter1721 is a really good at showing his skill with the gun. The problem is though that the review guns are (usually) not theirs and they don't show what the guns can actually do because they won't touch the regulators or hammer springs, some won't even adjust the trigger, which is just ridiculous. This is where Air Velocity Sport's review of the Katran really shined. He went step by step and showed everybody how to adjust their regulator. THAT is really informative. I like reviews that get technical and do the things to the gun that I am going to do to it, which is certainly not going to be leaving it alone and shooting it as it comes. Unless, of course it shows up where I want it, which I suppose is possible but it hasn't happened yet. A review that actually shows a gun being completely disassembled really shows what you are getting too, and what you can expect. If you get a gun with a lousy trigger, make note of it, then work on it within your abilities and show us how easy, or impossible, it is to make better. If you realize that the regulator is set too low to get the most out of the gun you're testing, turn it up. Do what owners do, not reviewers. You asked, -and thanks for asking!
 
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Any review should be unbiased, you do not make money from that review.

This way you can state your honest opinion on the air gun, including negative opinions without sugar coating them.

Also, you should have shot at least 1000-2000 pellets through that airgun before the review.

If the information can be presented in a few images please do do.

I do not care about watching people shooting groups, images of the groups should be enough.

After the above is met I am interested in anything that is not already in the manufacturer specs:

-accuracy at at least 50 yards for rifles and 10-30 yards for pistols

-shot strings at different power levels

-decibel readings at the different power levels

-your opinion on build quality, air gun operation, shot cycle, etc
 
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I like to see footage of someone(or multiple people) actually handling/using the product, with an over-narrative of the notable features(how it compares to, or is different from, other products which are established standards in the that "class").

Decibel readings vary depending on equipment used, distance, environment, etc... Maybe compare to the most popular product you sell in that "class"? An established benchmark(and very popular gun) for quietness is a Benjamin Marauder.


 
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I want Honesty, the specs of the item and the whole story both good and bad when using it. 

If it is a gun some groups with a pellet it likes at at least 50 yards.

Seeing a few shots is good but I don't need to see all of them just the targets with groups. Five shot groups is plenty for me.

Gun Weight

Fill pressure

Pellet weights

FPS

FPE

Trigger pull

ect. on the specs

Your reviews meet all of those standards and why I watch and trust them.

Thanks.
 
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