Any version of a BSA Super Sport or Lightning XL or SE would get my vote.
Ended up gifting this one to my late brother. 16 fpe of .22 thump
Ended up gifting this one to my late brother. 16 fpe of .22 thump
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Yes... stock around 620fps. But great for small to medium sized game. All you have to do is get close enough for them to see the gun and while they are doubled over laughing at how ugly it is, you take the gun by the barrel and hit them over the head with it.Qb57? Underpowered for small game though. Kind of like the old smk.View attachment 418225
Rabbits you can usually point at them and yell BOO and they'll kiel over. Squirrels usually need a bit more convincing.Yes... stock around 620fps. But great for small to medium sized game. All you have to do is get close enough for them to see the gun and while they are doubled over laughing at how ugly it is, you take the gun by the barrel and hit them over the head with it.
Agree. I've never seen a powder burner hunter in the woods with a bull barrel rifle that weighs 8 - 10 lbs. And they tend to be sidelevers or underlevers that are too fiddley to load. I don't even hold the barrel on a break barrel when I load. Just cock and place your fingers like this.Im new to air guns and this is the most idiotic thing I see. Most hunting springers weighing from 8-10 lbs. Thats ridiculous! My 30-06 doesnt even weigh 8lbs scoped. Who wants to carry around a 9lb pea shooter. On top of that, they are very big and bulky, not sleek and maneuverable. Ive read some guys call them adult size. What does that make my Remington 700, youth size? Because its smaller than most of these air guns….come on.
…I really want an HW30 or 50
I tricked out a Chinese KL3B Fast Deer about 2 decades ago. They used to sell them for around $20 and there was an informal competition on the old Yellow Forum to see who could do the most ridiculous build of one of them. Anyway they also only produced around 6 fpe and their trigger was just a one piece sear that pivoted on a pin and caught the back of the piston. After adjusting the angle of its engagement, polishing it and lubricating it with moly grease I eventually got it down to a fairly smooth pull of around 6 lbs. I doubt I could have made it much lighter than that while still retaining any semblance of safety, but I'm pretty sure your Crosman trigger could be similarly improved.I do have a crosman tyro youth springer. It's very small and light, but the trigger is about 15lb pull... dunno how they marketed this thing for a kid. If I could figure out a way to lighten that up, it would make it much better. It's only 6 fpe with 10 grainers, but just enough for plinking and pest birds in my closest tree.
I use that tyro for basement plinking when I'm bored. It does okay if I concentrate on that trigger pull, but I've yet to hit anything on the fly with any sort of accuracy. I haven't really checked the trigger box to see what can be done, but I know it's not adjustable.I tricked out a Chinese KL3B Fast Deer about 2 decades ago. They used to sell them for around $20 and there was an informal competition on the old Yellow Forum to see who could do the most ridiculous build of one of them. Anyway they also only produced around 6 fpe and their trigger was just a one piece sear that pivoted on a pin and caught the back of the piston. After adjusting the angle of its engagement, polishing it and lubricating it with moly grease I eventually got it down to a fairly smooth pull of around 6 lbs. I doubt I could have made it much lighter than that while still retaining any semblance of safety, but I'm pretty sure your Crosman trigger could be similarly improved.
I also refinished the stock, cut down the barrel, added a muzzle weight and added a 4x32 Barska scope. So it did end up being a lightweight, side lever carbine. I gave it away to a buddy of mine and he actually uses it to kill rats around his chicken coop.
I suspect you'll find it's also just a one piece spring loaded sear that catches a hook on the back of the piston. You can polish the mating surfaces with superfine sandpaper and lubricate them with moly grease and remove a coil or two from the trigger spring or swap it for a lighter spring and that should make a significant improvement. The thing that really makes a difference, but can also really mess things up is altering the angle that the sear engages at. I would do that as a last resort and proceed very slowly and with extreme caution.I use that tyro for basement plinking when I'm bored. It does okay if I concentrate on that trigger pull, but I've yet to hit anything on the fly with any sort of accuracy. I haven't really checked the trigger box to see what can be done, but I know it's not adjustable.
I'm a gunsmith, and your advice is sound. I would add for those who are making a first try at tuning, that anytime you polish sear surfaces, you should use the proper grades of stone, and if you want to do a final polish with really fine paper, the paper should be wrapped around and backed by a hard completely flat sanding block of some sort. Sear surfaces have to be absolutely flat and square, and only a hard backing can do that.I suspect you'll find it's also just a one piece spring loaded sear that catches a hook on the back of the piston. You can polish the mating surfaces with superfine sandpaper and lubricate them with moly grease and remove a coil or two from the trigger spring or swap it for a lighter spring and that should make a significant improvement. The thing that really makes a difference, but can also really mess things up is altering the angle that the sear engages at. I would do that as a last resort and proceed very slowly and with extreme caution.
I suspect the ideal angle is 90 degrees. More than 90 and you get an extremely heavy trigger that can feel like the safety is engaged. I've got a replica Brown Bess musket that came like that. Less than 90 and your trigger will want to release itself.
And I want put forth the disclaimer here that I'm not a gunsmith, airgunsmith, machinist or engineer and that everything I'm telling you is based on my own self learned experiences, so take it for what it's worth.
I carry a wood stock pre 64 model 70 with 3-9 Leopold .It's 9# plus and lays out like a hunny for field shooting.Im new to air guns and this is the most idiotic thing I see. Most hunting springers weighing from 8-10 lbs. Thats ridiculous! My 30-06 doesnt even weigh 8lbs scoped. Who wants to carry around a 9lb pea shooter. On top of that, they are very big and bulky, not sleek and maneuverable. Ive read some guys call them adult size. What does that make my Remington 700, youth size? Because its smaller than most of these air guns….come on.
…I really want an HW30 or 50
600 fps in 22, with an OAL of 40.5". Nice guns, but I wouldn't consider that a hunting gun. The cometa USC is same length, silenced, and more powerful for over 100 bucks less. I'm leaning towards the cometa, and then an HW97K later down the road.HW50
The cometa is around 18 fpe, the hw50 is only 12. It'll work, but 12 fpe in 22 has a crappy trajectory.HW50 vs Cometa?…..thats a tough one, I think they both have enough power for small game. Both really nice guns…