N/A Webley Hurricane

[beerthief]

Tempest was a hard pistol to shoot accurately . Hitting a can or similar target was fairly easy @ 10 / 20 yards. defiantly not a bullseye gun for me .
This Hurricane tuned and polished by David Slade (his gun ) is still that same short slam of a cycle , but still a smoother experience . Now if i can find a muscle bound 16 year old to cock it 40 times in a row for me to shoot this morning

BTW shooting a can in half is very difficult ! you need to shoot all those thread like strings of metal to get the bottom of the can to cleanly fall to the ground , and the can is hanging on a piece of wire so it swings around .

 

[.20calguy]

This was my primary target at 10 yards with my pistols, and you could easily miss half of your shots with no fault of your own shooting the Tempest. My other pistols missed when you missed. That bothered me enough to part with it.

 

[Helmet]

I don't really know what it is about the Hurricane and the Tempest, but I like them. I have five of them in total. They are heavy to cock, they recoil violently (for an air pistol) and are difficult to shoot accurately, and they are not very pretty, although not exactly ugly either. But they have this charm and aura that makes them exciting. They are like some of the girls who catch all eyes when they walk across the dance floor. They are not necessarily the prettiest and hottest girls around, but they have this attitude and confidence that makes them a little sexy, and that draws everyone's attention to them. This is probably what's called the X-factor.

 

[Steveoo]

The Tempest and all the other variants has the barrel above the cylinder to create a length which could correctly be handled as a pistol. It makes for a very appealing design. However, while far more appealing than any other pistol (the Crosman 150 and Abas major accepted) it has the piston moving rearward.
The original thinking was this rear moving piston would allow for easier control of the recoil, going directly into the palm of the hand. Sadly it never worked as imagined.
The recoil created a pivot point just ahead of where you grip it, causing a downward jump.

The key to dealing with this problem, is getting the pellet out of the gun as quickly as possible.
The gun operating in the pop gun phase, it requires fast start pellets. 7 grainers......that seal well.
A hobby in .177 can get out at up to 480 fps if the gun is set up right and it works.
From here, you should not fight the recoil, but go for a light hold and let the gun recoil.
Lighten the trigger using the tips I mentioned and practice with it to repeat the hold.

 

[beerthief]

This was my primary target at 10 yards with my pistols, and you could easily miss half of your shots with no fault of your own shooting the Tempest. My other pistols missed when you missed. That bothered me enough to part with it.View attachment 579570

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE exactly !

 

[beerthief]

I am thinking to buy a Hurricane that has just been owned , nothing ever done to it , just to see the difference in the one i have . Also been looking for another Tempest but the prices are way out of line .
Maybe one of the shooters i Nashville Tn has one ? I am in Nashville quite often .

 

[MDriskill]

Stevoo brings up a great point: springer recoil has two parts: first, an "equal and opposite" reaction to the piston's motion; then a jolt in the reverse direct when the piston comes to a stop.

With a "backwards" piston (Hurricane, Tempest, P1 / HW 45, etc.), the first part shoves the gun forward. Your grip hand is underneath, and acts as a fulcrum, rocking the muzzle down. The second part shoves the gun rearward, popping the muzzle back up.

This all happens so fast, you just notice the second bit when you fire the gun...but the pellet actually exits while the muzzle is shoved downward.

 

[JDR]

The Tempest and all the other variants has the barrel above the cylinder to create a length which could correctly be handled as a pistol. It makes for a very appealing design. However, while far more appealing than any other pistol (the Crosman 150 and Abas major accepted) it has the piston moving rearward.
The original thinking was this rear moving piston would allow for easier control of the recoil, going directly into the palm of the hand. Sadly it never worked as imagined.
The recoil created a pivot point just ahead of where you grip it, causing a downward jump.

The key to dealing with this problem, is getting the pellet out of the gun as quickly as possible.
The gun operating in the pop gun phase, it requires fast start pellets. 7 grainers......that seal well.
A hobby in .177 can get out at up to 480 fps if the gun is set up right and it works.
From here, you should not fight the recoil, but go for a light hold and let the gun recoil.
Lighten the trigger using the tips I mentioned and practice with it to repeat the hold.

I recently had my Tempest resealed, but I'm only getting 365 fps with Hobbys. I do get 425 fps with 5 gr RWS. Something is off, but I have no idea.

 

[crowski]

Tempest was a hard pistol to shoot accurately . Hitting a can or similar target was fairly easy @ 10 / 20 yards. defiantly not a bullseye gun for me .
This Hurricane tuned and polished by David Slade (his gun ) is still that same short slam of a cycle , but still a smoother experience . Now if i can find a muscle bound 16 year old to cock it 40 times in a row for me to shoot this morning

BTW shooting a can in half is very difficult ! you need to shoot all those thread like strings of metal to get the bottom of the can to cleanly fall to the ground , and the can is hanging on a piece of wire so it swings around .

My best is 22 rounds to cut a can in half. Mushroom size can 30 yds. Did it with a HW90 .20. I was lucky. Next to that was 29 rounds. Crow

 

[.20calguy]

The Tempest and all the other variants has the barrel above the cylinder to create a length which could correctly be handled as a pistol. It makes for a very appealing design. However, while far more appealing than any other pistol (the Crosman 150 and Abas major accepted) it has the piston moving rearward.
The original thinking was this rear moving piston would allow for easier control of the recoil, going directly into the palm of the hand. Sadly it never worked as imagined.
The recoil created a pivot point just ahead of where you grip it, causing a downward jump.

The key to dealing with this problem, is getting the pellet out of the gun as quickly as possible.
The gun operating in the pop gun phase, it requires fast start pellets. 7 grainers......that seal well.
A hobby in .177 can get out at up to 480 fps if the gun is set up right and it works.
From here, you should not fight the recoil, but go for a light hold and let the gun recoil.
Lighten the trigger using the tips I mentioned and practice with it to repeat the hold.

I keep hearing that that the Tempests accuracy issues are due to the recoil but the P1/HW45 is way more accurate utilizing the same basic design. I do still like the gun. It's a really sharp looker. I just needed bigger targets.

 

[.20calguy]

Stevoo brings up a great point: springer recoil has two parts: first, an "equal and opposite" reaction to the piston's motion; then a jolt in the reverse direct when the piston comes to a stop.

With a "backwards" piston (Hurricane, Tempest, P1 / HW 45, etc.), the first part shoves the gun forward. Your grip hand is underneath, and acts as a fulcrum, rocking the muzzle down. The second part shoves the gun rearward, popping the muzzle back up.

This all happens so fast, you just notice the second bit when you fire the gun...but the pellet actually exits while the muzzle is shoved downward.

In the HW45 the recoil and point of aim vs PO impact, changes pretty drastically if you half cock it because of the recoil change.
If you open the 45 and bore sight it, it will shoot low due to recoil, but it does it the same every time making it consistently accurate with good grip and follow through.

 

[MDriskill]

In the HW45 the recoil and point of aim vs PO impact, changes pretty drastically if you half cock it because of the recoil change.
If you open the 45 and bore sight it, it will shoot low due to recoil, but it does it the same every time making it consistently accurate with good grip and follow through.

Exactly!

I learned this lesson many years ago when I first got my P1. I was shooting at full-power into a trap in my garage, and decided to try a few shots at the low-power setting. I didn't just miss the target...they went completely over the trap, into the wall beyond!

 

[MDriskill]

However, while far more appealing than any other pistol (the Crosman 150 and Abas major accepted) it has the piston moving rearward. The original thinking was this rear moving piston would allow for easier control of the recoil, going directly into the palm of the hand.
Sadly it never worked as imagined. The recoil created a pivot point just ahead of where you grip it, causing a downward jump.

OK, this is kinda off-the-wall, but imagine a springer pistol with a Tempest-like powerplant located farther forward and lower (in oother words, architecture more like a typical match PCP). It would be less compact, but having the piston in line with the wrist, instead of above the hand, would surely help tame the effects of recoil.

 

[MDriskill]

I recently had my Tempest resealed, but I'm only getting 365 fps with Hobbys. I do get 425 fps with 5 gr RWS. Something is off, but I have no idea.

1. These guns have a long tapered breech leade. Be sure you've pushed the pellet in far enough that the skirt is solidly sealing against the barrel.

2. Check that the breech seal is working OK.

3. If you have a new piston seal - DRY FIRE the gun 2 or 3 times. The piston seal does not have a delicate parachute edge, but is a solid chunk of PTFE. The factory actually recommends this to "set" the seal to the cylinder.

4. If those don't work, you may need a new spring.

 

[.20calguy]

Exactly!

I learned this lesson many years ago when I first got my P1. I was shooting at full-power into a trap in my garage, and decided to try a few shots at the low-power setting. I didn't just miss the target...they went completely over the trap, into the wall beyond!

It has been a while for me as well. Mine was stolen in a house burglary in 95. I still have fond memories of that guy but replaced it with an HW75.

 

[Steveoo]

I recently had my Tempest resealed, but I'm only getting 365 fps with Hobbys. I do get 425 fps with 5 gr RWS. Something is off, but I have no idea.

Don't forget the RWS 5 grainers are going to be a good 2 grains lighter than the Hobby and should be coming out in the upper 400s or even 500 when at 5 grains. This means nothing is wrong with the Hobby selection here.
From your information the gun is a good 50 fps down on only average potential.

 

[JDR]

I guess 365 fps with hobbys is sufficient for target practice and plinking within the accuracy range of the gun. Not going to use if for pesting.

 

[Steveoo]

You could try a couple of dry fires to ensure sealing and a touch of Silicone oil.
It's not recommended for mating steel parts like cocking linkages but the slight meniscus it makes allows PTFE seals to seal.
Also you could get the spring out to inspect for straightness.

 

[Gunnertrones]

Have a couple, and like them a lot. Yesterday I received a BSA Scorpion in the mail, and when I got it in my hand I instantly thought that this could be the Hurricane`s bigger brother - even if it is a different animal. (There are some similarities I think).