WE need collective data - Test to help us all learn something

[cavedweller]

Try this - 25 yards. Same gun. Same scope. same conditions. same size target

5 rounds standing at your highest magnification
new target
5 rounds at your lowest magnification
new target
5 rounds at your medium magnification

post pics of results

objective - to determine how magnification affects your freehand hold / aim / accuracy

 

[beerthief]

Try this - 25 yards. Same gun. Same scope. same conditions. same size target

5 rounds standing at your highest magnification
new target
5 rounds at your lowest magnification
new target
5 rounds at your medium magnification

post pics of results

objective - to determine how magnification affects your freehand hold / aim / accuracy

can i use a barn door ? @ 25 yards

 

[cavedweller]

can i use a barn door ? @ 25 yards

Well i suppose - but we just need to see which mag pwr affects your poa / POI .... you may need a yardstick... or a 100 ft tape measure.

 

[cavedweller]

Try this - 25 yards. Same gun. Same scope. same conditions. same size target

5 rounds standing at your highest magnification
new target
5 rounds at your lowest magnification
new target
5 rounds at your medium magnification

post pics of results

objective - to determine how magnification affects your freehand hold / aim / accuracy

It would appear folks don't like to shoot offhand.

 

[SkeeterHawk]

It would appear folks don't like to shoot offhand.

That was my thought. I don't shoot awesome off-hand, so I don't know how conclusive this test would be...at least for me

 

[cavedweller]

That was my thought. I don't shoot awesome off-hand, so I don't know how conclusive this test would be...at least for me

even if your a bad off hand shooter, we are trying to see if magnification level makes a difference in your POA / POI,

 

[MrP]

It would appear folks don't like to shoot offhand.

I do almost exclusively but not with a scope - I use iron sights or sometimes a simple red dot. Mostly pistol shooting at the moment

 

[SkeeterHawk]

OK, @cavedweller, I took the challenge in hopes that we could all learn something. Here are my results:

Surprisingly, I shot better on lower magnification in both of my tests. Let me know what you all think. Here are the pictures of both results:

Off-Hand

Bipod and Bag

Geez, since I got better results with lower magnification, hate to see what I could do with iron-sights like @MrP

 

[cavedweller]

OK, @cavedweller, I took the challenge in hopes that we could all learn something. Here are my results:

Surprisingly, I shot better on lower magnification in both of my tests. Let me know what you all think. Here are the pictures of both results:
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Off-Hand

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Bipod and Bag

Geez, since I got better results with lower magnification, hate to see what I could do with iron-sights like @MrP

Wowza

 

[davecole]

When shooting forced position in FT, I reduce the magnification to 10x-12x depending on the KZ size, and doing so, reduces the wobble in the sight picture.
Your brain is trying to keep your aim point in the center of the KZ. On 16x, your brain over-corrects and over-corrects the over correction.
Reducing the aim point size reduces the size of the oscillation allowing your brain to take the shot when you’re on the target.

 

[thomasair]

The over correction oscillation can be fixed on high magnification by only looking directly through the intersection of the crosshairs. Do not look at where you want to put the crosshairs. You will see where you need to go with your peripheral vision ... but don't directly look there. It's hard to do at first...but it can be learned.

Mike

 

[cavedweller]

The over correction oscillation can be fixed on high magnification by only looking directly through the intersection of the crosshairs. Do not look at where you want to put the crosshairs. You will see where you need to go with your peripheral vision ... but don't directly look there. It's hard to do at first...but it can be learned.

Mike

Thanks Mike I’ll try this today day 2 of the Cajun Classics - awesome weather and people

 

[BlackICE]

Low power is like averaging and slowing down your movement giving you a better idea where your crosshairs are at a given time. Just think above shooting the opposite extreme with a 100X scope, you won't even know where the bulleye is.

The faster movement plays on your mind increasing your nervousness, making your aim even worst.

 

[EquivalentDelta]

I will give this a try in the next coming week.

My hypothesis is that this will affect a portion of individuals significantly, but not everyone.

Interested to see the final results. Though I will say your test needs many repetitions to be statistically valid using 5 shot groups offhand.

If everyone repeats the test 5 times, you could have some real data worth analyzing and publishing to the academic community.

 

[beerthief]

OK, @cavedweller, I took the challenge in hopes that we could all learn something. Here are my results:

Surprisingly, I shot better on lower magnification in both of my tests. Let me know what you all think. Here are the pictures of both results:
View attachment 455088
Off-Hand

View attachment 455089
Bipod and Bag

Geez, since I got better results with lower magnification, hate to see what I could do with iron-sights like @MrP

like the Pine's setting .

 

[SkeeterHawk]

Your brain is trying to keep your aim point in the center of the KZ. On 16x, your brain over-corrects and over-corrects the over correction.

That was why I recorded myself from the side. You can clearly see that the end of my gun was "floating" all over the place when I was on high magnification, and it was much more solid when at lower magnification proving that you are 100% correct @davecole

The over correction oscillation can be fixed on high magnification by only looking directly through the intersection of the crosshairs. Do not look at where you want to put the crosshairs. You will see where you need to go with your peripheral vision ... but don't directly look there. It's hard to do at first...but it can be learned.

Mike

This is a great tip, and one that I will try to practice. Obviously from the video, I have a LOOOONG way to go!

Low power is like averaging and slowing down your movement giving you a better idea where your crosshairs are at a given time. Just think above shooting the opposite extreme with a 100X scope, you won't even know where the bulleye is.

The faster movement plays on your mind increasing your nervousness, making your aim even worst.

You are absolutely right, and "taking something to the extreme cases" is something I like to do, but didn't really consider here. If you had a 100x scope shooting freehand, you would be all over the place trying to get it to line up with the target. "There it is" "Oops!", "Oh, there it is!"

My hypothesis is that this will affect a portion of individuals significantly, but not everyone.

Interested to see the final results. Though I will say your test needs many repetitions to be statistically valid using 5 shot groups offhand.

If everyone repeats the test 5 times, you could have some real data worth analyzing and publishing to the academic community.

Agreed. And using the tip that Mike (@thomasair ) mentioned about the peripheral vision, that would skew the results farther as you are practicing that technique. I'll probably try this again with a different gun, but wanted to use the 0.177 first because it is super light and easy to hold.

I would certainly be interested to see what others' results are.

 

[Oddhawk]

I will have to give this a try for a more documented result. I shoot small pill bottles at 40 yrds and have better luck with lower magnification usually keeping it mid for low light too see the cross hairs against the white pill bottles.