Vector Veyron 4-16x44mm FFP Now With an Illuminated Reticle for $265
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@Headshots I’ve never used a Talos but I avoid scope with a battery compartment over the ocular bell.
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Ok this is my conclusion on the 4-16x44mm Vector Veyron FFP IR. I’ve been hunting with it and have used the IR in the woods during the evening on multiple days. Here it is mounted atop a Huben for length reference.
The center dot is the only thing consistently lightning up in the reticle. On its brightest setting it isn’t very bright. It isn’t too apparent while the sun is still up, but when it’s on the horizon I can see it a lot better. The problem is that at that point it’s tough to see the reticle against certain backdrops. I tend to hunt at 5-6x magnification with this scope. It could benefit from the installation of a throw lever. I haven’t installed one. The good thing is that it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too fast. I’ve left the IR on for about an hour on an hunt before turning it off and it had good juice on the next outing.
I tried to reproduce the effect of the entire reticle lighting up as I mentioned in a previous post. I was unable to do it again. I don’t know if the “lighting the entire reticle effect” was a result of parallax error, looking in the direction of the setting sun, or what. I do know that the 4-16x44 Vector Veyron FFP IR is not my first choice for what I want in the woods in low light or as the sun sets. In my opinion this scope is good for your point blank range in low light. I’ll have to give that a go before replacing it. Beyond that, finding your holds is a crap shoot in low light conditions (in my experience). I should also note that the reticle doesn’t have the best windage markings below the horizontal axis. In conclusion, I don’t think that this scope is worth the money for my intended application of using the illuminated reticle for hunting in low light environments.
The center dot is the only thing consistently lightning up in the reticle. On its brightest setting it isn’t very bright. It isn’t too apparent while the sun is still up, but when it’s on the horizon I can see it a lot better. The problem is that at that point it’s tough to see the reticle against certain backdrops. I tend to hunt at 5-6x magnification with this scope. It could benefit from the installation of a throw lever. I haven’t installed one. The good thing is that it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too fast. I’ve left the IR on for about an hour on an hunt before turning it off and it had good juice on the next outing.
I tried to reproduce the effect of the entire reticle lighting up as I mentioned in a previous post. I was unable to do it again. I don’t know if the “lighting the entire reticle effect” was a result of parallax error, looking in the direction of the setting sun, or what. I do know that the 4-16x44 Vector Veyron FFP IR is not my first choice for what I want in the woods in low light or as the sun sets. In my opinion this scope is good for your point blank range in low light. I’ll have to give that a go before replacing it. Beyond that, finding your holds is a crap shoot in low light conditions (in my experience). I should also note that the reticle doesn’t have the best windage markings below the horizontal axis. In conclusion, I don’t think that this scope is worth the money for my intended application of using the illuminated reticle for hunting in low light environments.
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I've had one Vector Veyron, two Athlon Talos, and two Athlon Argos. In my opinion, Athlon is wayyy nicer. The glass is about even, the illumination on the Athlons is far superior, and the turret clicks on the Athlon make the Veyron feel like garbage.
The Veyron was a decent scope and I really liked it for the $150 I paid, but I would never pay $200+ for one after using Athlons.
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The Argos BTR was for a Taipan Veteran where I didn't care about the weight and wanted superb dialing and FFP functionality. The Talos BTR 4-14 currently resides on my QB79 and is for target shooting/stationary pesting. I went with the Talos BTR over the Argos BTR simply because I got it on a great sale. It's very comparable to the Argos, TBH. Then my Talos 3-12 is a SFP scope that's going to go on a lightweight woods gun.
I've never run into a situation where I wanted FFP capabilities (which I see as a target/longer range, more power need) and also needed a super compact/lightweight scope. For me, if the gun calls for a FFP scope, then it's also going to be more powerful/heavier than a lightweight, less powerful gun. Hope I'm making sense.
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@UCChris I see. The Veyron 3-12x44 FFP is great for hunting with my EDgun Lelya 2.0 and Prod .22. They tick all the boxes for me other than a lack of IR. All that was needed was a throw lever and I installed some. No problems after replacing the crappy lens caps that come with them (they tend to fall off easily). FFP works great for me because I change magnification from transition to ranging to glassing to tracking to shooting. I seldom have time to look and see if the magnification has been set exactly to my optimal setting where I have holds memorized.
I enjoy hunting squirrels. When I hunt them I do some moving as do the squirrels, so distances change. I can’t see me having time to check a DOPE chart before taking a shot. I’m usually trying to be sure my shot is free of obstructions and I’m in a stable or comfortable shooting position. So an FFP saves me the trouble of only memorizing one set of holds for various distances. I don’t dial turrets and I’m mostly shooting targets to stay sharp for hunting. That’s my rationale behind my application. The compact scopes help keep the gun light for me and less length helps keep the scope from getting hung up on branches and vines as I move. These are things I consider when comparing and shopping for scopes.
I enjoy hunting squirrels. When I hunt them I do some moving as do the squirrels, so distances change. I can’t see me having time to check a DOPE chart before taking a shot. I’m usually trying to be sure my shot is free of obstructions and I’m in a stable or comfortable shooting position. So an FFP saves me the trouble of only memorizing one set of holds for various distances. I don’t dial turrets and I’m mostly shooting targets to stay sharp for hunting. That’s my rationale behind my application. The compact scopes help keep the gun light for me and less length helps keep the scope from getting hung up on branches and vines as I move. These are things I consider when comparing and shopping for scopes.
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Totally understand and I see where you're coming from. I went with a 2-7 SFP for my Prod because:
A) I'm not going to be shooting outside of maximum point blank range, so I don't need mildots. Out to 40 yards, hold dead on. At 50, hold half inch high or just above the head. Even then, at 50 yards I'll be on max magnification with my 2-7 and 3-9 SFP scopes and it'll be a true mildot anyway.
B) If I did need/want mildots, the FFP reticle is going to be super thin and hard to see amongst branches when at the lower magnifications I prefer for hunting at 30 yards.
FFP is cool, and I put it on all my guns I use for target shooting/50 yard+ hunting, but I think people put them in a lot of situations where SFP is better. And I'm not just hating; I used to be 100% FFP only no matter what.
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Chris,
I'm with you on the Athlon turret clicks, and the glass quality.
And Athlon ticks usually most other boxes as well, especially for a turret dialer like me (zero stop, turret revolution counter, 10mil per turn, lots of elevation adjustment, etc.).
However: What I'm still waiting for is that the middle and upper middle players like Athlon give us some truly compact scopes. 
Vector/ Discovery have done that with their their 3-12x and 4-16x Veyron's/ VT-3's.
I'd love to replace the Discovery VT-3 3-12x44 on my PP700 with an Athlon Helos 2-12x42. But the Helos' 1.8 inches (4.6cm) is quite a bit longer for scoping a long range pistol....
Still, that Helos is calling my name....
Athlon is just a great brand. 
Matthias
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Dave,
your review above is very helpful, unlike the comments we sometimes read on the forums, like: "X is great!" — or — "Y is junk!" — without much substantiating evidence.
Thanks for taking the time to give us this information.
Matthias
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Its pretty new from SHOT this last time around, and its mostly "unavailable". But have you looked at the new Athlon Heras yet?Chris,
I'm with you on the Athlon turret clicks, and the glass quality.
And Athlon ticks usually most other boxes as well, especially for a turret dialer like me (zero stop, turret revolution counter, 10mil per turn, lots of elevation adjustment, etc.).
Vector/ Discovery have done that with their their 3-12x and 4-16x Veyron's/ VT-3's.
I'd love to replace the Discovery VT-3 3-12x44 on my PP700 with an Athlon Helos 2-12x42. But the Helos' 1.8 inches (4.6cm) is quite a bit longer for scoping a long range pistol....
Still, that Helos is calling my name....
Matthias
I like the looks of the reticle compared to the Helos
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I like that quite a bit! Like that the turrets are exposed, compared to the capped turrets on my Talos 3-12 SFP
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Yeah, the Heras with it's 1" tube is about 2oz lighter than the comparable 2-12x Helos with 30mm tube.
But the length is the same.... So, still not what I would prefer for a long range pistol.
The Heras is SFP, whereas the Helos is FFP. For many the difference is hugely important....
Matthias
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