Utah Airguns trade in

[Ohioairgunner]

Just tried to trade in my i
Umarex g2 25 and Wildcat compact mk 2 25 for a dream lite and they lied to me and said they have no used fx Airguns but they literally have them listed on their site dream lite in 22/25 dreamtac in 30 and dream classic and dream lite compact

 

[dens228]

Maybe their site isn't up to date???

 

[Ohioairgunner]

Maybe their site isn't up to date???

No they low hall I bought a Aea challenger standard 357 big bore and wanted to trade it in a 2 months later paid 609 they offered me 175 no problems or anything not a scratch

 

[Joedirt199]

That is the nature of trade ins. Offer bargain basement price so they can turn around and sell for the most profit possible.

 

[Long_Gun_Dallas]

Why would you trade your wildcat for a dreamlite? Just sell the guns elsewhere and buy elsewhere. As stated, site could need updating. Also could be a loss of communication somewhere. If they offered less than 30 percent for a like new gun, I'd be offended. That'd be the last time we spoke or did business of any kind. List here or on ebay or gunbroker.

 

[Nealgl1985]

I bought a panthera 25 600mm and added $1000 in accessories and didn't care for it so figured I'd see what trade in was like since I wanted to try something different. I asked aoa what they would offer for a 2 week old fully decked out $3k+ panthera. They offered $1000 if it was in mint condition.

If you see a gun for sale in the used section from any of these places they probably paid minimum 50-60% less than what they are selling it for.

Moral of the story is, Don't try trading anything in unless you want to feel insulted. Unless it's a pile of crap and nothing but problems, then go ahead and trade it in because it's probably worth nothing anyways.

 

[weevil]

They make a distinction between used and refurbished and the latter is what those dream lines are labeled as. I bought a “refurbished” wildcat last year and it was essentially a new gun in a case with poly wrapping from FX. Further digging indicated that it was never actually used but a large batch were returned to FX to get an updated regulator/plenum. It has been flawless and was therefore a great purchase. However, you would certainly be much better off selling your existing guns privately, as is the same for vehicles.

 

[Trucker3573]

You actually get raped when you trade something….anything in?? . Just a note to the OP. Good pics in your listings will greatly help your endeavor. Sorry for being facetious in the first sentence. Couldn’t help it. Nature of anything that you trade in. Always a bad idea.

 

[Ohioairgunner]

I bought a panthera 25 600mm and added $1000 in accessories and didn't care for it so figured I'd see what trade in was like since I wanted to try something different. I asked aoa what they would offer for a 2 week old fully decked out $3k+ panthera. They offered $1000 if it was in mint condition.

If you see a gun for sale in the used section from any of these places they probably paid minimum 50-60% less than what they are selling it for.

Moral of the story is, Don't try trading anything in unless you want to feel insulted. Unless it's a pile of crap and nothing but problems, then go ahead and trade it in because it's probably worth nothing anyways.

Yea that was my first time Wildcat was my first fx and I wanted the dreamline so I figured since they low balled me the first time I’ll offer a fx and a Umarex gauntlet 2 for a dreamline and they lied said they have none in stock but if I was to go buy a used one It’ll be at my house in 3-5 days

 

[hawkeye69]

My experience with AOA has been the same. Expect an offer of 50% of what they will list it for selling on their used gun page. I understand the need to make a a profit, but 100% seems rather extreme to me, especially when you are trading in to buy another gun from them on which they also make a profit.
Selling here on the site makes economic sense, but waiting for a buyer and the shipping hassle makes it more difficult.

 

[davelarson]

They are just in business to make as much profit as possible, which is acceptable, and insulting at the same time.
Like the excuse that as soon as you drive a new car off the lot it’s worth a lot less, even though it’s brand new!
In my opinion they would be better off saying they don’t buy used, because the lowball offer is definitely going to be insulting.
The possibility of making $800 in profit from a lowball deal isn’t worth losing a customer you already have in my opinion.
I’m trying to sell a like new .22 RedWolf HP that I got from AOA and I didn’t bother to ask what they would pay for it because I knew it would be half price or worse lol.
It’s insulting to get lowballed, but it’s just good old hardcore business lol!

 

[greg1978]

I bought a 177 Katran fron UA. After using it for a month talked to them about trading in for a 22. They were very honest and upfront that it would be better selling on a forum or elsewhere as I would take a serious hit on my transaction. Not their fault for trying to stay in business so I just looked elsewhere and found a good used one. I still and will continue to do business with UA and AOA as personally have had great success and treated fairly by both.
We sometimes make buying mistakes and have to live with them as not all of us have local stores we can checkout, sucks but it is what it is...

 

[AirNGasman]

Communication skills are rare, especially in writing. Perhaps less than clear communication contributed to the situation, because I sure had difficulty trying to understand the OP's OP and responses. Perhaps UA did also.

As for trade ins- it's common for consumers to think if a business sells a trade-in for twice what they gave for it they doubled their investment. That simply isn't so.

Speaking from vast experience with bicycles and airguns, trade-ins seldom (to never) can be flipped without some time and labor investments; often substantial. Example- a $500 trade-in that requires resealing, tune-up, parts, and/or more, the vast majority of which do, likely actually costs the business $700-750 to offer for resale. If the business (realistically) asks $1000 for a used gun or bike that sells new for $1500, the customer that traded it in thinks the business is a crook, potential buyers offer $750, and the item (eventually) sells for $800. The gross profit (before normal business operating and selling expenses) was $300, and NET 'profit' (after business expenses like payroll, rent, etc.) was $150 on a $700-750 investment. A 20% return on investment is HARDLY A KILLING... by any measure.

Okay, let's say the used item eventually sold for $850. A $200 'profit' on a $500 investment is still hardly a killing. In fact, truth be told, may or may NOT be break-even.

Trade-ins suck for everyone. Good thing no-one is forced to give or take trade-ins, huh?

That being the case, when hearing or reading one side of any story the listener or reader must always consider the source.

 

[.20calguy]

That is the nature of trade ins. Offer bargain basement price so they can turn around and sell for the most profit possible.

Unlike another hobbyist, they have employees, and all kinds of over head.
I remember managinging a hobby shop, and thinking of what I needed to sell just to cover the rent and electicity, not to mention employees, and stock.

 

[Vetmx]

They know what Google gunsmiths do to airguns. They repair customers botched guns daily. They can’t inspect your gun like you are trading it in at the gun shop in your town. No reason to feel insulted. They just aren’t in the business of getting hosed by the guy who’s mint is actually junk.

 

[Jasonmc]

Win some loose some I reckon... But check out the classifieds there is a couple of dreamline rifles up for sale..

 

[weevil]

Plus, the item that they gave you $500 for and gets listed for $1000, often sells for $800. Obviously it depends on your financial situation but for me, it’s often the case that losing money is less painful than answering a bunch of questions then being offered a highly prized collection of antique rubber ducks in exchange for your item.

 

[Chukar60]

Rule #1 if you are a high frequency buyer and seller of any kind of gun. Do not ever trade to a dealer. Sell it to another enthusiast. You will get moe for your item and they will pay less for it than used fro a retailer.
Are retailers bad? No. They just have constraints that individuals do not. Costs. Cost of employees, the building, maintaining inventory, marketing etc. All of that has to be covered in the cost of an item sold.
Think about when you go into a gun store, air gun or PB. How much time do you spend BS’ing with the help about guns? How many guns do you have them take out of a case so you can look at it? How many times have you gone in just for information? now compare that to how many times you make a major purchase. The help has to be paid and every minute they are on the clock the $ keep adding up.
I rarely walk into the local air gun shop without buying something. Even if it is just a tin of pellets because I am taking up their valuable time.

 

[Exodus]

Art of the deal.

Tip one: pictures, always have pictures and descriptions, especially anything that is wrong with the item being sold. Shows honesty and integrity.
Tip two: Never try to force the deal, let them think on it, don’t put words in their mouth. Id they have to stew about it. Let them.
Tip three: Never get offended. I’ve been offered Pennie’s on the dollar for stuff I wanted to sell. As soon as you get offended, there’s never a deal that’s going to end well. Politely decline and counter offer. If isn’t good enough, walk away.
Tip four: Always be prepared to walk away without a deal being struck. In this day and age, it’s very rare to find ONE of anything. Chances are, tomorrow there’s a better deal for the same thing.
Tip five: Try to create a relationship. Nothing wrong with talking about the trees and the weather. I’ve had LONG conversations with guys on here and never managed to make a deal. It was worth every second. The hobby is suppose to be fun. If it isn’t, it’s not worth doing.

I’m not preaching or taking pot shots at you, just giving free advice. It’s worth exactly how much it costs.

 

[beerthief]

Utah is taking a huge chance accepting a used gun (not that your hiding anything ) just IF something is about to go wrong, when they accept it the gun was fine , shipping destroys the gun and they are stuck ! or that part that was hanging on now breaks . many unseen things could cost them money to fix .
IT IS JUST BUSINESS !!