My thoughts exactly, your buddy is lucky to have you as a friend….You did an awesome job cleaning it up
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Underwater leak test, DON'T!
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Another prime example of how facts can beat the crap out of misinformation.
Thank you @JaceSpace1369
just my 2 pence
Edward
Thank you @JaceSpace1369
just my 2 pence
Edward
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Wow. Forest Gump's mom sure was right - stupid is as stupid does . . .
Whenever I've thought about the idea of "submerging a gun" to test for leaks, I had always assumed people were talking about submerging ONLY the parts that remain when stripped down to the pressure components - never the whole thing! I would prefer not to do even that, but I could see it if there was no other way to identify the leak - at least then there are limited parts to have to disassemble and fully dry. But literally the whole gun? Barrel, trigger group, hammer mechanism and all that too? Just wow . .
Nice work cleaning it up. I'd be tempted to say something like "sorry, but I can't waste my time fixing stupidity" and walk away from it (although tough to do with a boss involved).
Whenever I've thought about the idea of "submerging a gun" to test for leaks, I had always assumed people were talking about submerging ONLY the parts that remain when stripped down to the pressure components - never the whole thing! I would prefer not to do even that, but I could see it if there was no other way to identify the leak - at least then there are limited parts to have to disassemble and fully dry. But literally the whole gun? Barrel, trigger group, hammer mechanism and all that too? Just wow . .
Nice work cleaning it up. I'd be tempted to say something like "sorry, but I can't waste my time fixing stupidity" and walk away from it (although tough to do with a boss involved).
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Love to help!THANK YOU
for protecting me from doing something really STUPID sometime down the line of my airgun hobby.
Matthias
I get dirty enough killing and cleaning iguanas as it is, can't tell.you how many work shirts I've had to throw away cause it was too much if a bloody messI think your hands are too clean to be working on airguns.
.Thank you! Glad to hear you got it fixed up as well without dunking!
Thank you! Even for more stubborn leaks, if you take yourself back, settle down, and have some patience. You'd find the leak, more often than not pcps with loads of moving parts and orings are the ones you would think to dunk underwater, 90% of airguns wouldn't need to be dunked at all and I definitely wouldn't lol.
Thank you! There was s time where I used to think that you could dunk the higher end guns due to the better parts, even now I could never given what I have cleaned up on higher ends ones. But to dunk a Turkish gun and not even check!? Is insane.Ahhh!! Nooooo!! This pains my heart no end. I would NEVER have the stones to treat a gun like that. Use safe lubes to try to track air bubbles if need be , but not water.
Great reclamation though!
Thanks for the kinds words! I checked the pcp and the gauge hasn't moved a bit! She's holding air just fine!
Yeah, I didn't bother asking about rust when he initially told me about the gun having the problem weeks ago, his other boss for his other job supposedly knew what he was doing. Clearly not, but I also enjoying breaking down guns I haven't yet and seeing how they work. So although it took more time then originally thought it would, I'm not against it. Specially if I can get it working again, our boss isn't fond of cheaper guns, and he takes my judgement more serious about these matters, so I would've been fine in turning it down otherwise.
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A word of advise, if you are going to dunk the entire gun for a leak test, dunk it in Ballastol
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If you are going to put water near your gun lube it up. A light oil coating will protect the surfaces from the water. It wipes of pretty clean. Don't let it build up...
But dont dunk.
Never dunk.
External moisture only.
But dont dunk.
Never dunk.
External moisture only.
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My Royale looked like that on the inside. Well outside too for anything that was steel.
I could be off here but I bet plain old paint thinner would work good to immerse a action into to check for leaks. Then take the gun apart, blow out the excess, and clean and lube as usual. Paint thinner is a mild solvent compared to lacquer thinner, acetone, well all those powerful types of solvents and all of which I've used extensively in the past.
Problem is that paint thinner used to be cheap but is kind of expensive now. Still a gallon in the right sized and shaped container should work.
I could be off here but I bet plain old paint thinner would work good to immerse a action into to check for leaks. Then take the gun apart, blow out the excess, and clean and lube as usual. Paint thinner is a mild solvent compared to lacquer thinner, acetone, well all those powerful types of solvents and all of which I've used extensively in the past.
Problem is that paint thinner used to be cheap but is kind of expensive now. Still a gallon in the right sized and shaped container should work.
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my Zbroia Kozak and Weihrauch HW 110 & 44 both have removal tanks/tubes complete with valve, as a unit , that is easily and safely dunked into a tub of water, without putting the whole gun in the drink,,, I am a dunker with them,,, [no darn doughnuts, bad seed oil in that garbage.]
my SPA P-15, is a 'no go', in the sink, but most of it's leaks can be spotted with a barrel balloon and with a little soapy water or leak detector fluid, no need to drown her
my SPA P-15, is a 'no go', in the sink, but most of it's leaks can be spotted with a barrel balloon and with a little soapy water or leak detector fluid, no need to drown her
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Yeah, most are easy to spot. I think the main issue is people that lack the patience and know how that read a sentence and don't do further research specifically when being new to this and not having any experience with anything metal related.
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I work on airguns a lot. Never felt comfortable dunking them. I mean you'd need to completely disassemble and clean, so why no skip the dunking and disassemble, replace orings and fix the problem?
I've found that on dynamic orings it's best to go thru the whole gun and be done. Orings used as spacers, like in fx barrels it's up to you as those normally are fine.
Also CRC spray leak detect is your friend used judiciously.
I've found that on dynamic orings it's best to go thru the whole gun and be done. Orings used as spacers, like in fx barrels it's up to you as those normally are fine.
Also CRC spray leak detect is your friend used judiciously.
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Crc Chemical Detectors 45802
4.0(2)CRC Leak Detector – 510g Aerosol CRC Leak Detector is formulated for the quick detection of gas and air leaks. The water based formula contains no oils, silicones or harmful solvents. Leak Detector quickly and reliably locates gas leaks and pressure losses in pipes and pressurised systems by forming highly visible bubbles when applied over any leak.
Color
Clear
Formula
Silicone /// EDIT - this ad first say's "contains no oils or silicones " then at the bottom line is Formula = silicone ??????? S
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When you use these leak detectors, what kind of cleanup is required afterwards? I'm considering looking for a leak around my fill port.
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I won't even take my guns out in the rain! I've got other hobbies for when it's raining. Talk about giving yourself a lot of extra work.
There is probably more to this story though. If he had dunked the gun and immediately got to work drying it out, just using compressed air, I don't think it would have rusted half that bad. It looks like he left it in the water a while and then didn't even bother trying to dry it out until the next day, if at all. Certainly minimal effort on his part, why does someone like that even offer to try in the first place, and then not really try at all?
You did a nice job cleaning up his mess! I hope he appreciates it.
There is probably more to this story though. If he had dunked the gun and immediately got to work drying it out, just using compressed air, I don't think it would have rusted half that bad. It looks like he left it in the water a while and then didn't even bother trying to dry it out until the next day, if at all. Certainly minimal effort on his part, why does someone like that even offer to try in the first place, and then not really try at all?
You did a nice job cleaning up his mess! I hope he appreciates it.
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Nothing the CRC doesn’t corrode if left on. There is usually not much residue, but IPA or microfiber damp with water cleans it off.
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I don’t want to detract from the OPs issues, but it’s a slow leak over several weeks. It does leak down below reg pressure but then stops around 50-60bar.
That’s the one thing I have not tried. I’ll swap in another gauge and see if that does it.
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I actually don't think it is, he just doesn't use it. So he never really looks at it, but every time he picks it up, it's empty.
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