Traditional or bull pup for hunting

[JohnnyPDX]

I was wrong, $1449 at AOA! Those are cool and a great replacement for the POS Artemis(s) PP70SA that I struggle with.

 

[elh0102]

I agree with you about length, say my my BSA R10 at 44", not being too long to take into the woods. I see no difference between standard rifles and bullpups, in being able to rest against trees, fence posts and buildings, none.

My Taipan has been setup correctly with a drop-down shoulder rest that's offset to starboard and shoulders better than any other gun I've owned.

Johnny, I'd like to see a picture of the shoulder rest you mention, sounds interesting. My problem with the Veteran when shooting from a tree is simply a result of my style. I like to cradle the smaller forend of a sporter style with my forward hand against the tree, in a manner that the Veteran stock doesn't accommodate due to its size and shape. Can I use it from a tree? Absolutely, but for me, it's not as stable, and if Mr. bushytail is lollygagging and I have to hold in position a few minutes, it is quickly tiring. And with my bad rotator cuff, the Veteran weight exacerbates all this. I greatly admire the Veteran, and I enjoy shooting it at every opportunity. It's only due to the combination of personal issues that it is not my preferred hunting rifle. For you, and I'm sure many others, its accuracy, robust construction, and reliability make it the perfect woods rifle. And, its unique anti-double load system is the best in the business for a hunting rifle, especially for folks like me who don't use safeties. 

 

[JohnnyPDX]

I agree with you about length, say my my BSA R10 at 44", not being too long to take into the woods. I see no difference between standard rifles and bullpups, in being able to rest against trees, fence posts and buildings, none.

My Taipan has been setup correctly with a drop-down shoulder rest that's offset to starboard and shoulders better than any other gun I've owned.

Johnny, I'd like to see a picture of the shoulder rest you mention, sounds interesting. My problem with the Veteran when shooting from a tree is simply a result of my style. I like to cradle the smaller forend of a sporter style with my forward hand against the tree, in a manner that the Veteran stock doesn't accommodate due to its size and shape. Can I use it from a tree? Absolutely, but for me, it's not as stable, and if Mr. bushytail is lollygagging and I have to hold in position a few minutes, it is quickly tiring. And with my bad rotator cuff, the Veteran weight exacerbates all this. I greatly admire the Veteran, and I enjoy shooting it at every opportunity. It's only due to the combination of personal issues that it is not my preferred hunting rifle. For you, and I'm sure many others, its accuracy, robust construction, and reliability make it the perfect woods rifle. And, its unique anti-double load system is the best in the business for a hunting rifle, especially for folks like me who don't use safeties.

Howdy. With a shoulder issue the Taipan is not ideal!!! Mine is a VERY reliable brick with full size glass on it but the brick can smash the hell out things so I carry it.

A hurting shoulder deserves a light gun. I'll send a few pics of the beast.

 

[JohnnyPDX]

 

 

[JohnnyPDX]

This isn't a machine shop so I do the best I can. This was a proof of concept work and it works just fine. There are numerous threaded holes in the 1/2" aluminum plate, attached to the gun itself, that allow for a number of different drop and offset positions with a number of different shoulder pads.

This flat and curvy shoulder 'pad' turned out great and I use it even though I have made several others.

With offset, drop and a BugBuster 3-12 x 32 it's a ground squirrel's worst nightmare.

 

[austin870]

youll be alright .. truth is traditional style guns have been around for hundreds of years because its the best overall functional design .. a bullpup is more of a specialty design and can work better and be faster on target in tight mostly close quarter nutter combat .. but yeah, snowflakes showing out a bullpup with high tech this and that and bipods and everything else are just mommas boys looking for someone to validate their inexperienced pathetic bs lol ... a long gun is better almost always ...

Always keep a traditional air rifle in your inventory to remind yourself just how good you are capable of shooting. When your budget allows, then get the odd stuff like bullpups, Leshiy’s and pistols turned into weird little carbines. They are all fun and can have a purpose.

This is some of the best advice I've seen on AGN in a while (emphasis added by me). Spot on. Plus 1 accuracy point for Vetmx.

I have gotten to the point where I can shoot bullpups pretty well, but I still shoot traditionally stocked rifles better. Sometimes the accuracy is similar, but achieving it with a bullpup takes more work (for me), and sometimes I just want to shoot without having to work really hard at it! Ultimate accuracy is also so important on the hunt, for a humane dispatch.

The Streamline is a good, handy rifle which is not overly long. I think you made a good choice.

And anyway, we all know that your Streamline will not be your last air rifle purchase!

I'll counter that by saying that I have sold all of my traditional, readutdated, rifles and now only own Taipans.

SOLD:

• HW97
• R9
• TX200 HC
• Marauder

I don't understand it when someone says it's difficult to shoot a bullpup.

I really don't...

To each their own I guess

To be fair you sold several $400 rifles to buy an $1500 bullpup. Some were even springers so not apples to apples with those If you were shooting a $400 bullpup PCP same price as Marauder you would still be using the Maruader too. Then again if you bought a $1500 conventional PCP in the same price range as the Taipan I would bet you would be shooting that some too. 

 

[Matt247365]

youll be alright .. truth is traditional style guns have been around for hundreds of years because its the best overall functional design .. a bullpup is more of a specialty design and can work better and be faster on target in tight mostly close quarter nutter combat .. but yeah, snowflakes showing out a bullpup with high tech this and that and bipods and everything else are just mommas boys looking for someone to validate their inexperienced pathetic bs lol ... a long gun is better almost always ...

Always keep a traditional air rifle in your inventory to remind yourself just how good you are capable of shooting. When your budget allows, then get the odd stuff like bullpups, Leshiy’s and pistols turned into weird little carbines. They are all fun and can have a purpose.

This is some of the best advice I've seen on AGN in a while (emphasis added by me). Spot on. Plus 1 accuracy point for Vetmx.

I have gotten to the point where I can shoot bullpups pretty well, but I still shoot traditionally stocked rifles better. Sometimes the accuracy is similar, but achieving it with a bullpup takes more work (for me), and sometimes I just want to shoot without having to work really hard at it! Ultimate accuracy is also so important on the hunt, for a humane dispatch.

The Streamline is a good, handy rifle which is not overly long. I think you made a good choice.

And anyway, we all know that your Streamline will not be your last air rifle purchase!

I'll counter that by saying that I have sold all of my traditional, readutdated, rifles and now only own Taipans.

SOLD:

• HW97
• R9
• TX200 HC
• Marauder

I don't understand it when someone says it's difficult to shoot a bullpup.

I really don't...

To each their own I guess

To be fair you sold several $400 rifles to buy an $1500 bullpup. Some were even springers so not apples to apples with those If you were shooting a $400 bullpup PCP same price as Marauder you would still be using the Maruader too. Then again if you bought a $1500 conventional PCP in the same price range as the Taipan I would bet you would be shooting that some too.

Incorrectamundo

 

[harrymoreland]

No use crying over spilt milk.

enjoy your Streamline.

 

[JohnnyPDX]

Too many quotes inside of quotes.

No one GAF anymore... too hard to follow. 

 

[oldsparky]

A few months ago I would have and in fact replied to a post about how traditional rifles were more natural and bull pups couldn't compare to a traditional rifle because of check welt. Ya know I think I may shoot my Taipan standard as good as my Huntsman offhand. I shoot a few magazines at metallic silhouettes almost every day. I find I am shooting the Taipan more there also. I would have never believed it.

 

[Jammin22]

I only use a Bullpup for hunting. So much more compact, easy to carry through woods, easy to handle, point, shoot, just as accurate, the list goes on. Don't use a long gun much anymore. 

 

[Emu]

Of many shapes and lengths of rifles I have shot and carry whlie hunting, the Uragan has an extraordinary size, shape, weight and feeling. 

When you shoulder and point with it, you feel you do not need anything else to hunt with. Just the adequate caliber for the hunting and you are done!

 

[BSJ]

Bullpup for me. I've had a AA S410 for the last 20 years in a standard stock. I recently got a S510 (for Q-Tec on it). I put it in a Craftsman Vit Bullpup stock. I'll never go back to a standard stock! True it feels kinda awkward if you are holding it with outstretched arms, but when carried at the ready position it just feels perfectly balanced and quick to deploy. Off-hand just feels right too, with the most weight between my trigger hand and shoulder. I shoot it well from a bench on a bipod. I can shoot it just about as well using it while standing with with my forward hand against a post. Vermin and pests are just easier now...

I'm a convert!

 

[Emu]

Of many shapes and lengths of rifles I have shot and carry whlie hunting, the Uragan has an extraordinary size, shape, weight and feeling. 

When you shoulder and point with it, you feel you do not need anything else to hunt with. Just the adequate caliber for the hunting and you are done!

Defently: The Uragan is the pinacle of design, performance and comfort for air rifles.

Is not as beautiful as a Daystate or an Air Arms. For sure no.

But the package you recive buying a Uragan is everything you could dream about to have from an air rifle.

Lets make an execise of comparison among a Wolverine HP HR and a normal Urangan:

The Wolverine may have te most beaufiful walnut stock you will find in the market. Point for the Wolverine.

Accuracy will be really similar.

Uragan comes with two magazines that are easier to use and will not fail. Point for the Uragan, both in functionality and because makes you save $100 US.

Uragan is lighter. Point for the Uragan (and your shoulders).

Uragan is easier to increase/decrease power. Point for the Uragan.

Uragan has the lenght ideal for handling. Point for the Uragan.

Uragan at AoA is $1618.00, Wolverine is $2,438.00. $920.00 (including extra magazine) of difference. Point for the Uragan and $920.00 extra for you and your family.

Except for stetics, the Uragan will win hands down to, maybe, every rifle.

Airgun Technology broke the market with the Uragan.

I would give them a price for such a super product.

 

[Corvid_hunter]

I went for a fairly long walk today with my Impact and ended up getting a few magpies which was a bonus. Although it was just along some field edge and I didn't have to walk through too much brush going between fields, I couldn't imagine doing it with the Red Wolf I had. That rifle was way too long.

 

[JohnnyPDX]

My favorite hunting rifle is a Marlin 30/30. I can have it on my shoulder using a strap, barrel pointing down, lean over to tie my shoes and the barrel isn't hitting the ground.

It's also a gun I carried just for hiking / fishing trips quite a few times in bear and cougar country.

 

[bowtieguy66]

Its easier for me to wield a bullpup (Uragan), for some reason to pull up and get on sight without the barrel swaying around like on a rifle. But also the rifle in the prone position feels more natural? But the more I carry it, the more I like it. Being shorter it doesn't feel as cumbersome, branches and brush don't grab it as much. Plus I can just steady it better with the weight close to my body, rather than having the barrel way out there bobbing around. Maybe it’s just what your use to.

 

[Deacon_Blues]

Many years ago, when I first started shooting competitive AR: High-power rifle, I was taught by members of the AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) to create a platform by snugging my elbows completely into my body. That same platform works perfectly with shorter bullpup style air rifles, like a Tapan Vet or a Uragan. When my elbows are tucked in for a shot with a bullpup- I feel comfortable and relaxed. I think the choice of air rifle style comes down to repeatability and what one knows best. In other words , can you repeat the shot sequence over, and over, and over, to achieve the same results every-time.

edit- fixed acronyms to make sense