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To upgrade or not to upgrade. That is the question.

M3 this m3 that. That is all I see on here now. Also Matt, Ernest, South Africa Boys, Utah airgun, all they talk about now is how good their m3 is. Whatever happen to all their mk2? o_O they toss in the trash? Lol. Back to topic. All this m3 is making me think. Should I upgrade to the m3 or nah? I own a mk2 impact with PP. Not the 720 PP. What benefits do I get from upgrading? Tighter spread? More power? More accurate? Easier to tune? Is it worth getting the m3 when you already own a impact mk2?
 
Those that choose to buy "it" believe that they need "it", or they just want "it" enough to justify the purchase. Posters above believe THEY don't "need it". Neither view is incorrect. If you are happy with what you have, then that is what matters. But each person views it differently and what I think about your view isn't particularly relevant, just as the opposite is also true. Maybe people should just be happy that all these options are out there, to keep what you have or "upgrade" (or maybe START WITH an M3?
 
Gen 1 (Annie) 25 shooting MOA @ 100 . 34g NSA slugs in a pellet tin @150. What am I to gain. I've spent years and tons of cash to get her here. We'll let her sleep.

My next go? Daystate vexes me in my dreams! You should consider the money pit that FX generally is compared to ?

"money pit" "vexes me in my dreams" I'd say stop dreaming and try one, if you are able. You might surprise yourself. And you'll never know if you don't.
 
I say wait for others who got one to start posting to see what they have to say about it. Not to mention trying to find one in stock.

I have 2 - Bronze Sniper models in .22 and .25, so I can give just a little perspective.

Actually I lied in that first line. I had 2 M3's, but yesterday morning I sold my .22 cal here in the classifieds. I determined that for my personal use it was too similar to my 2021 purchased MkII to justify keeping both .22's. And since the M3 has impacted (get it?) the perceived market value of the MkII so much, the M3 was the one which got sold. It is currently winging its way to a new owner in Philadelphia.

I will likely never get even close to using all of the capabilities of a gun like the M3 (or many of my other air guns), so my personal perspective is by no means universal. I like to achieve a proper tune for a smooth and relaxing shot cycle and accuracy, for a particular projectile, and then I pretty much like to leave my guns alone and just shoot them. I don't (yet?) compete. I don't particularly hunt, although I will deal with certain ground squirrels who are destroying the safety berms at our range. And, although I have dabbled with shooting some slugs and hybrid slugs, I still shoot probably 98% pellets.

The M3's are so new that I would imagine few shooters have even put enough pellets through them to get them through break-in. I know I haven't. I shot less than 150 pellets through my .22 before I sold it, and due to some questions posted on this board, I may have shot 250 pellets through my .25 so far. So the regulators in my guns haven't really even settled in yet to the point where any significant adjustments should be made.

And since they are so new, we haven't really seen whether FX's intent of providing the second regulator to prevent reg creep inherent in a single regulator system, and further flatten the shot curve will really come true. One thing that we have seen, mostly in Mavericks and a little in M3's so far, is the slower plenum refilling due to the interactions of the 2 regulators. I am pretty sure that this can be tuned out and will become a non-issue. OTOH we may also find some competition speed shooters will not be trading in their MkII's for M3's immediately.

The M3 is definitely an upgrade over the MkII. The cocking lever is noticeably improved, and the Micro/Macro wheels are very effective and easy to use. When I think about the progression of tuning the FX air guns I have owned, this company is nothing short of true genius:

1) When tuning my Boss or Royale it was great that they had an adjustable regulator and hammer spring, but it was necessary to disassemble the rifle to tune it.

2) Tuning a Crown or a DreamLine rifle now gives us the externally adjustable regulator and hammer spring. After tuning a Crown it is pretty difficult to go back to tune an earlier model rifle like the Royale.

3) Tuning an Impact is another step-up improvement over the Crown as now you don't have to remove the stock in order to fine-tune the hammer spring tension. Yeah, using that little hex key and only being able to turn it in small increments is a PITA, but at least I don't have to have a stockless action sitting on my shooting bags while I chrono the adjustments I am making, like on the Crown. After tuning an Impact it is pretty difficult to go back and tune a Crown.

4) Now we have the M3. Tuning it has become even easier with the sensible (single lobe cam) Macro wheel (something FX probably should have done from the beginning instead of the dual lobed 1-2-3, A-B-C hammer spring wheel) and the Micro wheel instead of needing to use a hex key. After tuning an M3 it will be pretty difficult to go back and tune a MkII.

So looking at the major changes to the M3 over the MkII Impacts:

1) Dual regs - time will tell whether this provides better, more consistent performance over the AMP reg in the MkII. Or maybe, more importantly, whether the dual-reg system provides better performance over putting a HUMA into your MkII, which can be done at a fraction of the cost of selling your MkII and purchasing an M3.

2) Tuning 'system' - A definite improvement over the MkII. Much more important to one who regularly re-tunes their Impact to shoot different projectiles, etc. Nice to have but not so important to someone who achieves an initial state of tune, and then leaves their gun alone and just shoots it that way.

3) Larger Power Plenum - Will be of benefit to those who choose longer barreled M3's, and have to have the maximum power available for shooting heavy pellets or for shooting slugs. But not my particular use scenario at this time, so I'm very happy with the available power from my MkII.

4) New cocking lever - While very nice, it by no means obsoletes the cocking lever on the MkII. I'm a righty, so the easy ability to change the cocking lever to the left side of the gun has less importance to me than it will have to others.

5) 20 MOA built into the rail - Yes this is a great and welcome feature for when shooting at distances over 50 yards. But can also be achieved with adjustable mounts.

6) The other smaller improvements in the M3 - Yes they are nice, but none of them 'obsoletes' the MkII, or makes the older guns any less fun to shoot as compared to the M3.

If I knew then what I know now, I would not have purchased my M3 in .22 cal, already having a similar (600mm instead of the Sniper's 700mm barrel) MkII. But I neither lost nor made money on the sale of my M3 so I got lucky in having been able to try one side-by-side and make the decision as to which one to keep.

So the M3 has some immediate tangible improvements over the earlier Impacts, and over time we will find out whether the other changes to the gun really pan out. The effect of the M3's launch on the perceived value of pre-owned Impacts seems a bit over-blown to me. For many shooters the M3's updates by no means justify the cost of selling your old Impact and upgrading. However to other shooters who want to wring all possible performance and power out of their guns (likely a rather small percentage), the M3's updates will be more important.

I think that I am going to like my M3 bronze .25 cal sniper a lot. But this is also my first .25 cal Impact, so I don't have an older model to compare it against. While many MkII and earlier Impact owners seem upset with FX for releasing the M3 and 'obsoleting' their guns, I have shot them side-by-side and don't feel that way at all. I still love my MkII and could care less that it is no longer the latest model. And my little .22 MkII compact - Well it is likely my favorite of the 3 Impacts I now own. No, I won't be selling it and upgrading to an M3 compact (even though I saw that Tony at TalonTunes had some of those in stock yesterday...😁)

Just one M3 owner's perspective.
 
I agree with basically everything TMH said above . . . very nice, detailed write-up so I'm not going to rehash any of it.

My bottom line is: yes, the M3 is an upgrade from the previous generations for all the reasons listed above but is it $500-$600 (based on reduced resale value of the MkII's) better than the perfectly functional and already highly accurate MkII's I already had? That's hard to say but most likely not. My M3 is not any more accurate than my MkII's but it's easier to tune, has better ergonomics (due to better/reversible cocking lever, more adjustable trigger, etc.) and a couple other SUBJECTIVE reasons.

I didn't need the M3 but had the impulse opportunity to buy one so I did. I certainly could have gotten by just fine with the great MkII's I already had but if you have the opportunity and means to get an M3, get one . . . you'll love it.
 
 "That's hard to say but most likely not." 

Completely valid OPINION. FOR YOU. Not necessarily for ANYONE else.

"I didn't need the M3 but had the impulse opportunity to buy one so I did"

Now that appears to be a factual statement based on your experience. Two completely different things, opinion and fact. If I purchase an M3, it will no longer be on "impulse". I've considered what has been presented. All relative.
 
"That's hard to say but most likely not." 

Completely valid OPINION. FOR YOU. Not necessarily for ANYONE else.

"I didn't need the M3 but had the impulse opportunity to buy one so I did"

Now that appears to be a factual statement based on your experience. Two completely different things, opinion and fact. If I purchase an M3, it will no longer be on "impulse". I've considered what has been presented. All relative.


Kind of harsh to call someone out for stating their opinion. Every one of us gives our opinion on web forums such as these, based on our personal experience and needs, shooting style, etc. And yes, all the opinions stated are going to be relative. And thoughtful folks, such as yourself, will assess those stated opinions and determine how they apply to ones personal needs/wants.

And, of course, we always have to remember that the free advice and opinions we get off the Interwebs are worth every penny we pay for them...

(Then again, I also may have misinterpreted your post - something which is easy to do on web forums as opposed to actually speaking to someone in person.)
 
"That's hard to say but most likely not." 

Completely valid OPINION. FOR YOU. Not necessarily for ANYONE else.

"I didn't need the M3 but had the impulse opportunity to buy one so I did"

Now that appears to be a factual statement based on your experience. Two completely different things, opinion and fact. If I purchase an M3, it will no longer be on "impulse". I've considered what has been presented. All relative.


Kind of harsh to call someone out for stating their opinion. Every one of us gives our opinion on web forums such as these, based on our personal experience and needs, shooting style, etc. And yes, all the opinions stated are going to be relative. And thoughtful folks, such as yourself, will assess those stated opinions and determine how they apply to ones personal needs/wants.

And, of course, we always have to remember that the free advice and opinions we get off the Interwebs are worth every penny we pay for them...

Agree. But "most likely not" seems pretty presumptive to me, especially considering the oh so individual subject of COST/VALUE. And I DID point out, valid for HIM. I try to apply simple logic to things, fact or stated opinion. Maybe I'm being a bit to "particular" here but that's just me. Probably always will be that way because it's easy to "shade" a statement couched in opinion. I prefer clear statement of fact and indication of opinion. No offense intended to you or the other poster but that's the way I am.
 
I have learned that with every gun, comes the "need" for accessories. MK3 probably is an improvement over the mk2, but will you spend your money on a new gun for a "litle" change of improvement, or get accesories for a bigger change in improvement? I will probably by the barrel tuning kit, to experiance with, for my mk2 impact. I might buy the carbon fiber kit at some point. I plan to buy a scopecam setup, as it seems fun to film in slow motion. I might buy a bipod which is more sturdy than the one I already has. Thouse accesories I also had to buy if I switched out my mk2, to a mk3. And who knows I might buy some accesories for some of my other guns? So for me personally I will go the accessory route, as that seems unavoidable anyway:) And if I buy another gun, it will probably be one which is more differrent than the one I already has.
 
bandg, " so, never buy" ect

I read and reread my comment, I do not see where I allude to that thinking.

I will attempt to clarify.

If one is wanting the latest Impact, "M3" with it's full potential of 300 bar (and the difference that will make) you may want to wait a while as FX have indicated the 300bar bottle will be fitted as standard at some time.