Thinking of re-joining Pay Pal

As we have already seen, pros, cons and strong opinions about PP. Definitely flawed system, yet with its flaws it seems the only broadly accepted way of protecting both buyer and seller in a transaction.

Other options that are pretty much cash tranfers (Venmo, PP F&F, USPS money order, etc ) only protect the seller. Buyer has no recourse if screwed in the transaction.
 
As we have already seen, pros, cons and strong opinions about PP. Definitely flawed system, yet with its flaws it seems the only broadly accepted way of protecting both buyer and seller in a transaction.

Other options that are pretty much cash tranfers (Venmo, PP F&F, USPS money order, etc ) only protect the seller. Buyer has no recourse if screwed in the transaction.

Venmo is owned by PayPal, so still "dealing with the devil" so to speak.
 
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Pay - Pal is kind of like turnips;................you love them or hate them. I see it as a necessary evil, convenient payment option.........quick funding.
I'm not a major fanboy, but I find that it makes for a smooth seamless transaction. If a buyer or seller is not comfortable with the platform I will take or send a usps money order. And I don't dabble in play make believe money (bitcoin).
 
Pay - Pal is kind of like turnips;................you love them or hate them. I see it as a necessary evil, convenient payment option.........quick funding.
I'm not a major fanboy, but I find that it makes for a smooth seamless transaction. If a buyer or seller is not comfortable with the platform I will take or send a usps money order. And I don't dabble in play make believe money (bitcoin).
Just so you know the American dollar is make believe too. It’s value dictated by a group that isn’t even apart of the govt: the federal reserve. By the name federal reserve you’d think they would be a facet of the govt but NOPE. Don’t get me started on quantitative easing which is essentially printing money out of thin air; legal counterfeiting. The dollar is FIAT. Used to be backed by gold but now it’s just backed by promises lol.
 
Pay - Pal is kind of like turnips;................you love them or hate them. I see it as a necessary evil, convenient payment option.........quick funding.
I'm not a major fanboy, but I find that it makes for a smooth seamless transaction. If a buyer or seller is not comfortable with the platform I will take or send a usps money order. And I don't dabble in play make believe money (bitcoin).
Bitcoin is not less than giving paper monetary value. As a security, it’s no different than virtually storing gold. Better than cash IMO.

That aside, the funny thing is that paypal is partnered with crypto so…
 
Personally I do prefer bank transfer. I will only ever deal with someone I trust anyway. If someone screws me then the cost for retribution would be irrelevant. I don’t care if you live in Bhutan I’m on your doorstep as soon as I can book a flight. Happy to say though that within the Airgun community I have yet to have a bad experience.
 
Bitcoin is not less than giving paper monetary value. As a security, it’s no different than virtually storing gold. Better than cash IMO.

That aside, the funny thing is that paypal is partnered with crypto so…

They have adopted the technology, as more and more continue to do every day.

Their fees are ridiculous but at least it's exposing non coiners to the asset class.
 
Well, so I re-joined Pay Pal and already got 2 E-mails about giving them my tax ID and that anything over 600 bucks a year will be taxed,....Hell no !!!!

And they are gonna keep my money for 21 days,...Hell no !!!!


..........not playing that game, will keep my Pay Pal for convinience in buying but will not do any sales with it,

Back to money orders, cashier checks and personal checks ;)
 
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Just use the friends and family feature for selling and you should get your money without a hold on it. I don't think they tax friends and family either but I could be wrong.
Everything is taxed. They plan to check forums just like this one, along with the people that do it on FB and other sites.
 
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Everything is taxed. They plan to check forums just like this one, along with the people that do it on FB and other sites.
I don’t think the tax aspect is correct (I could send my daughter as much money as I want without either of us being taxed - HOWEVER the important thing is that using F&F provides no protection, so why not just bank transfer?
 
Just so you know the American dollar is make believe too. It’s value dictated by a group that isn’t even apart of the govt: the federal reserve. By the name federal reserve you’d think they would be a facet of the govt but NOPE. Don’t get me started on quantitative easing which is essentially printing money out of thin air; legal counterfeiting. The dollar is FIAT. Used to be backed by gold but now it’s just backed by promises lol.
Please,!!
Just take all of your make-believe-US$ ( cash, check, electronic, credit/debit card etc) and send them to me.
There are plenty of make-believe mattress to stuff them into for safe keeping.
PP F&F, VENMO. CASH, USPS MO all accepted
Address upon request
 
Everything is taxed. They plan to check forums just like this one, along with the people that do it on FB and other sites.
I'd be curious how they plan to do this with any level of accuracy. My name and tax ID are not associated with my profile on this site in any visible way which would be publicly visible. I already paid taxes on the money I used to purchase the airgun - how would this not be double taxation if I had to pay taxes again on the sale?

Regardless - this is why I only use PP F&F. The G&S is the one subject to the $600 limit. And that goes for any service with a good and services purchase option. The $600 limit, while noted in user agreement and terms, was supposed to go into effect for the 2022 tax year but was delayed.

From irs.gov website:
"The American Rescue Plan of 2021 changed the reporting threshold for TPSOs. The new threshold for business transactions is $600 per year; changed from the previous threshold of more than 200 transactions per year, exceeding an aggregate amount of $20,000. The law is not intended to track personal transactions such as sharing the cost of a car ride or meal, birthday or holiday gifts, or paying a family member or another for a household bill.

Under the law, beginning January 1, 2023, a TPSO is required to report third-party network transactions paid in 2022 with any participating payee that exceed a minimum threshold of $600 in aggregate payments, regardless of the number of transactions. TPSOs report these transactions by providing individual payee's an IRS Form 1099-K, Payment Card and Third-Party Network Transactions.

The transition period described in Notice 2023-10PDF, delays the reporting of transactions in excess of $600 to transactions that occur after calendar year 2022. The transition period is intended to facilitate an orderly transition for TPSO tax compliance, as well as individual payee compliance with income tax reporting. A participating payee, in the case of a third-party network transaction, is any person who accepts payment from a third-party settlement organization for a business transaction.

The change under the law is hugely important because tax compliance is higher when amounts are subject to information reporting, like the Form 1099-K. However, the IRS noted it must be managed carefully to help ensure that 1099-Ks are only issued to taxpayers who should receive them. In addition, it's important that taxpayers understand what to do as a result of this reporting, and tax preparers and software providers have the information they need to assist taxpayers.

Additional details on the delay will be available in the near future along with additional information to help taxpayers and the industry. For taxpayers who may have already received a 1099-K as a result of the statutory changes, the IRS is working rapidly to provide instructions and clarity so that taxpayers understand what to do.

The IRS also noted that the existing 1099-K reporting threshold of $20,000 in payments from over 200 transactions will remain in effect."