The $2000 dollar gun.
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I find with my springer I am more likely to just shoot and shoot. Every group I want just another couple shots then I’m done.
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That's been my experience too. I actually find them to be some of the fastest guns to load and shoot overall. Sure, you can blast away faster with magazine fed PCP's, but then you have to stop and reload the magazine and eventually recharge the gun. When you think about it, just pulling down the barrel and stuffing in a pellet is pretty quick in comparison and over a span of 100 shots is probably among the fastest loading of all guns. BB guns are going to the fastest loading of all though.
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Still working through that but I am at 1700psi regulator, 33.95gr pellets and 850FPS.
29.5gr are a bit more consistent 900fps. But I have a lot more 33.95gr
But it is a HM1000x so even with my shaking groups are dime/nickel at 45 yards.
1500PSI, 25.4GR 900FPS is the high shot count setup. But have to degas to turn the regulator down. Dream Universal is externally adjustable but only upward.
Can't get anything good with 42 and 46 gr slugs.
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Did you ever shoot a perfect 5 shot group through the exact same hole then keep going to see if you could get 10. Have you ever got 10 through the exact same hole. ?
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I've read through 12 pages and feel much more informed. Excellent thread! Thanks everyone for sharing what you've learned.
I've determined I want my first PCP. A rifle that is accurate, reliable, from a manufacture that should be around long term, and mostly hassle free. Brocock and RAW seem to check the most boxes for me, with the Taipan Veteran 2 close behind. I still like the idea of a Panthera for long range shooting, but in reality most of my shooting will be inside of 100yds.
My uses are pest control, punching paper and ringing steel mostly. Maybe try online BR competition for fun, and try to learn NRL22 and PRS type shooting for the experience. I'm too old to try to be competitive anymore, but I do love accuracy.
So much to learn. I should have joined this forum years ago.
I've determined I want my first PCP. A rifle that is accurate, reliable, from a manufacture that should be around long term, and mostly hassle free. Brocock and RAW seem to check the most boxes for me, with the Taipan Veteran 2 close behind. I still like the idea of a Panthera for long range shooting, but in reality most of my shooting will be inside of 100yds.
My uses are pest control, punching paper and ringing steel mostly. Maybe try online BR competition for fun, and try to learn NRL22 and PRS type shooting for the experience. I'm too old to try to be competitive anymore, but I do love accuracy.
So much to learn. I should have joined this forum years ago.
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Ive had my RAW LRT for a couple months and it is a great shooter but is bulky. Im thinking about buying a chassis for it. Which is a bit of s shock because I prefer wood over synthetic. I would also like to get rid of that huge shroud and moderator on the end of the barrel.
So if you decide on a RAW go chassis, it is a lot more flexible and the plenums work on the guns without that shroud.
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That laminated wood stock suits my taste visually, but that chassis seems far more useful, if not appealing. What's up with the size of that moderator?
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I’m basically a wood stock guy from way back. However after my first wood stock pcp and being a hunter for the most part , I quickly saw the beauty in the chassi style. So now I don’t own a wood stock pcp anymore.
When I acquired my raw I opted for the chassis and put an Impulse air moderator on it. I didn’t care for the looks of their moderator.
When I acquired my raw I opted for the chassis and put an Impulse air moderator on it. I didn’t care for the looks of their moderator.
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For about $2100.... instead of buying a high-end air rifle (I did eyeball the FX Impact M3 / M4)... I got a Marauder F&T (regulated), a fill tank, and all the "accoutrements" I needed to get started in air-gunning. Very happy with it!
If a "non-rich" guy "saved up" $2000 and bought a $2000 air rifle, how is he going to get all the other stuff needed to actually USE it? Optic? Optic rings? Compressor and/or fill tank? Carry case? Bipod? Extra magazines? Assortment of pellets? It adds up! My rifle was about $760. Add the other stuff, and it came to about $2100.
If a "non-rich" guy "saved up" $2000 and bought a $2000 air rifle, how is he going to get all the other stuff needed to actually USE it? Optic? Optic rings? Compressor and/or fill tank? Carry case? Bipod? Extra magazines? Assortment of pellets? It adds up! My rifle was about $760. Add the other stuff, and it came to about $2100.
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I'm a heretic, I own fairly high end guns but I would never pay even $1,500 for an air rifle. My HM1000X I got on gunbroker for a lowball bid. I own around 20 air rifles and I only have one I paid more than $1,000.
Unless you are a competitive shooter there is no need to pay $3,000 for an air gun. Far too many rifles that will hit what you are aiming at, with authority, for under $1,000 new. Or a rifle a couple years old that isnt the latest version but does virtually the exact same thing as this weeks iteration.
And I can easily afford a $3,000 air gun.
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Mostly just a shroud. But thread locked on the barrel so a real pain if you want to remove it. Also limits the length of the bottle so no adding a plenum without getting *creative*.
Internal regulator so fine tuning is a lot of degassing, adjusting and filling, shooting.
Does slugs or pellets but so far pellets are preferred.
Shoots nice, trigger is perfect, action is smooth. Occasionally dont lock it all the was and get a burst of air to the face.
I actually prefer shooting my Snowpeak Max 1, Reximex Throne 2 and Niksan Ozark-TW. RAW is slightly more accurate.
I did modify my RAW a little so I could use plenums and external regulator. Removed the internal regulator and put in a Huben Power Dream Universal to get the bottle below the Shroud. And as is my air gun superpower it is uglier and heavier.
I have some custom made m18x1.5 male to male adapters to attach the Dream to the plenum. Of course I had to use the biggest bottle that would fit, 1.1L.
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I can afford a yacht but scoff at the price of fuel - perspective is what it is or - isn’t.
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Skiff and a Yacht totally different use.
Simple short range transportation vs luxury accommodation.
Barra 250z and a Daystate Black Wolf same use.
Top to bottom air gun use is putting a pellet or slug down range with air.
Black Wolf will do that marginally better than the 250z for $2,500 more.
If that last 1/4" of accuracy is important to you then spend that $3,000.
Then there are the scopes...
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Skiffs and Yachts are made to totally different standards... just like the Daystate lineup is made to a completely different set standards, fit and finish etc.. ad nauseam. I seriously doubt a $439.00 Barra 250z bought on Amazon, comes with a 5 year warranty or any of the support I require or other nuances of feel and look and gentle shot cycle sounds, that make "me" smile behind the trigger or console me when something goes wrong.
The flip side of this: some people buy expensive airguns and then push the cheapest poope pellets they can find through them... Or fill them with cheap compressors that put moisture into the equation.... quick grab some popcorn as those last two statements should create some "word thoughts".
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And if those things are worth $3,000 to you then as I said, buy it.
I'll buy 4 or 5 rifles of various caliber and type for the same money. I'll void the warranty (if new) on day one, break it down, modify as i want (if possible) and not worry that it may never work again when im done.
I spent $100 on an AirForce TalonSS and proceeded to replace every part but the frame and power wheel. 70FPE from a .22 and an 18" barrel. That is what makes me smile.
Working on the guns, to me, is as enjoyable, if not more, than shooting the guns.
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I try and remind myself that airguns and guns in general aren’t good financial investments. Sure, I have a few that have appreciated in value since I bought them, but an average mutual fund would have outperformed all but a couple of them. I bought them because I enjoy owning and shooting them and I’m not interested in keeping pristine safe queens. It’s one of the reasons why I’d be hesitant to purchase a Whiscombe or a Sheridan Supergrade. I’d want to take it out and use it regularly and it likely wouldn’t stay immaculate.
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