Taipan Veteran 22 Grain Slug Shootout

 



All the slugs in this review are 22 grain .22 caliber slugs with the exception of the JSB monsters that I use as a control. I chose the JSB pellets as my control because they are the most precise pellet in my gun. My goal is to find a slug that can outperform the JSB Monsters at all ranges. 

Slug Details

I’m including the following details in case anyone is interested in swaging their own. I don’t recommend swaging any slugs exactly like the ones here because it would be cheaper just to purchase them from the dealers. However, if like me, you are interested in going maverick and experimenting on your own, it is nice to know what dimensions you don’t need to try.

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Methodology

One of my pet peeves of people making claims about the accuracy or precision of a particular projectile out their gun is that the testing methodology is never explained. I understand why. It is B-O-R-I-N-G. If you don’t care, I fully understand and won’t blame you for jumping below to the Results section. However, I suspect most people shoot one or two groups at a few velocities and make definitive claims based on statistically insignificant data. Getting good data is hard. Even slight changes in wind direction and speed make very noticeable differences in group size. Ideally, the shooting conditions would never change when shooting hundreds of groups to get reliable data. Realistically, this isn’t possible. Which is why I always view claims such as “My gun likes the 36 gr. Slugs shot at 1000 fps” with a large dose of skepticism. You should too.

I’m including all the data I have remaining that I collected using 22 grain slugs. I can’t seem to find the 100 yard data I collected, but no matter. I recall the 50 yard data presented here reinforced the data I found at 100 yards and was even better because the data was even more consistent (probably owing to less error introduced by the wind). 

The test data was collected as follows:


  1. The gun, a Taipan Veteran Long with CZ barrel, was set on a Caldwell Stinger benchrest and adjusted so that the crosshair rested on the bullseye with the bubble level showing the gun to be level.

  2. Each shot was taken without the gun in contact with the shooter's body to eliminate shooter error caused by heartbeats and breathing.

  3. Each projectile was loaded individually using a single shot tray.

  4. A 5 shot group was fired consecutively with each of the 5 slugs and JSB Monster Redesigns (the control group) at a target with 6 separate bullseyes. 

  5. The velocity was recorded for each shot to determine FPE using a FX chronograph and the five shot group average velocity was also recorded.

  6. Calipers were used to measure the center to center spread of each group and rounded to the nearest millimeter.

  7. Twelve groups were shot using each projectile. More would be better!

  8. The two worst groups for each projectile were eliminated from the data (shown in red in the data table below) leaving the 10 best groups for each to be averaged. This was done to try to reduce error introduced by slight variation in wind conditions. Although I tried to shoot in calm or near calm but steady conditions, wind is a variable that is near impossible to control for. My thinking is that by eliminating the 2 worst groups for each projectile, I am eliminating the two groups that most likely were tainted by wind.

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    Precision Results:

    Raw Data:

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    Summary:

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    None of the slugs show precision as good as the JSB Monster Redesigned pellet. The JSB monsters are significantly more precise. Groups almost always consisted of all 5 pellets touching each other.

    It is clear that the AVS, Griffin, Talon, and FX Hybrid slugs all have equal stability and precision. None of the 4 slugs distinguish themselves from the pack in terms of precision and fall comfortably in the range of error.

    By far the least precise was the custom slug I swaged for the test. Group sizes averaged a bit over an inch and were noticeably scattershot.

    ****Perhaps a better visual than the graph above would be a dime representing the Monster groups, a nickel representing the AVS, Griffin, Talon, and FX Hybrid Groups, and a quarter representing my custom slugs.

    Muzzle Energy:

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    This is one of the most interesting differences between the slugs. Notice how much less energy the FX Hybrid slugs have than the others. The Taipan Veteran CZ barrel has a strong choke. This causes the harder alloy of the FX Hybrid slugs to have a more difficult time passing through and results in a lower muzzle velocity than other slugs with a softer alloy. The most important factor in muzzle velocity for the Taipan Veteran alloy hardness.

    The smaller differences in muzzle energy can be accounted for by the diameter of the slugs. Notice that the Talon and Griffin slugs have a slightly larger diameter than the AVS and Custom slugs and a correspondingly lower muzzle energy. Again, I believe the larger diameter makes it more difficult for the slug to pass through the choke. My Veteran seems to prefer slug diameters of about .2155 inches (5.48mm).

    Ballistic Coefficients

    With the exception of my custom slugs (50 yards), the BC for each slug was measured at 104 yards with a FX chrony recording muzzle velocity and a Caldwell recording velocity at target. Before testing I calibrated the two chronographs by shooting 100 pellets through both and determined that the Caldwell reads an average of 4 fps faster than the FX. I subtracted 4 fps from all Caldwell data to reflect this in my calculations. I have since lost the raw data, but twelve data points were collected for each slug with the highest and lowest measured BC thrown out for each to try to eliminate outliers.

    The data was plugged into the Airguns of Arizona Ballistic Coefficient calculator found here: https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Calcs.html and averaged to find the measured BC.

    I am not a BC expert by any means and it is my understanding that BC changes based on weather conditions and projectile velocity. To make the test fair, I adjusted my gun to shoot each slug at approximately 850 fps. The calculator does not ask for elevation, humidity, pressure, or temperature variables which I believe can affect the results. I don’t recall the weather conditions, but the BC data was collected at 4500 ft above sea level.

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    It was no surprise that all the projectiles had a very close BC. The heavier weight of the JSB Monsters makes them competitive with the slugs in regards to BC. The Rebated boat tail helps give the Griffin slug a slight advantage over the other slugs, but it is so small that it is not really noticed on target. My custom slug had the worst. In addition to only being measured at 50 yards instead of 100, it has a larger meplat nose which likely caused the lower measured value.

    Kudos to the FX Hybrid for reporting a BC that is close to that I measured. I suspect the advertised ballistic coefficient of the AVS is significantly inflated for marketing purposes.

    Expansion and Penetration Test

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    Penetration was similar for all 5 slugs. This was surprising, because I expected the Talon slug to explode on impact and barely penetrate. A retest showed similar results in regards to penetration.

    The AVS and FX slugs both expanded to 10mm and stayed in one piece. Both showed similar penetration and wound cavity size. These would be great hunting slugs because the slug does not fragment inside the animal making recovery easier.

    The Griffin LDC fragmented into 3 pieces with the light weight core attached to the main body of the slug and two fragments pushed off to the side. It had the widest wound channel. This slug would be ideal for pesting as the damage it causes is extensive. It is less suitable for hunting as it is likely to cause more damage to the meat and the two small fragments might be a challenge to find.

    The Talon slug did not fragment but was mutilated into a scorpion shape. On another test the Talon fragmented into 4 small pieces. I was disappointed in the results of the Talon. In addition to more penetration than expected, the wound channel was never as devastating as expected. Best suited as a pesting slug.

    My Custom slug with its wide and deep hollow point acted much like I expected the Talon slug to. It exploded into multiple pieces and spread out in a wide wound channel on impact. The fragments were found in over an inch diameter area. Pesting slug only.

    The Monster pellets did not expand and penetrated through the entire clay block (100 mm). The Monster pellets would be a great hunting pellet because even though they do not have as wide of a wound channel as the slugs, the monsters have more muzzle energy and are likely to pass through the entire animal. This would arguably cause just as much damage as the slugs.

    Cost

    JSB Monsters: $.04 each Three times cheaper than the cheapest slug!

    AVS: $.12 each

    FX Hybrid: $.12 each

    Griffin LDC: $.25 each

    Talon: $.27 each

    Custom: $.71 each (so far). Will need to swage 50,000 slugs to reduce cost to $.04 

    Summary

    Gold Medal: JSB Monster Redesigns

    None of the slugs can touch the JSB Monsters out to 100 yards. The JSB pellets are both the most precise and cheapest option. There is no reason to punch paper with anything else. They produce the most power at the muzzle than any of the slugs and their heavier weight gives them a high enough BC to compete with the slugs. They are effective at both hunting and pesting and not likely to leave any lead residue behind. They start to spiral at some point after 100 yards which leaves the door open for slugs.

    Silver Medal: AVS Slugs

    Since all the slugs have the same precision, the silver medal goes to the least expensive slug with the greatest muzzle velocity in my gun. It would be my pick for a hunting projectile and targets out past 100 yards.

    Bronze Medal: Griffin LDC

    With the best BC and most devastating impact on prey, the Griffin only falls behind the AVS because it is twice the cost. If pesting, the additional cost is probably worth it.
 
Good detailed review Mike. A few questions.

1. Why did you test them so slow? Most slugs that I have shot out of a .22 (like my Red Wolf HP or EDgun R3 Long) like the slugs at least 100 FPS faster than you are shooting, usually more. For example, the RW likes the JSB KO .217 at about 990 FPS, and the Eddy likes the NSA 20.2 at 985 FPS. Most other slugs like the FX hybrids also like around 950 to 1000 FPS.

2. Why didn't you test the NSA or JSB slugs? The NSA 20.2 grain, in either the .217 (.2165) or .218 (.2175) are stellar in most .22 guns that shoot slugs well. Also, the new JSB KOs shoot very good in the Red Wolf HP at between 950 and 1000 FPS. Price is approx the same as RD Monster pellets..

I can see you were trying to stick with approx 22 grain, although I'm not sure why... Thanks much for the review, oh, and for your very good video on tuning the Daystate guns with a HeliBoard....
 
"The Taipan Veteran CZ barrel has a strong choke."

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Don't 9 out of 10 shooters of this gun who have "the older" model with the CZ's state that the CZ's shoot slugs better than the newer ones (like mine) that are now shipping with LW's?

I just find that to be a curious statement. Wouldn't a stronger choke be worse for slugs?

FWIW -- in my .22 long, with the LW barrel, I've been having pretty good luck with the JSB Knockouts (.216's) @933 fps. I can't seem to get them to fly (accurately) any faster than that. The FX Hybrids on the other hand are lethally accurate and going a bit faster @964 fps.

Again - curious about that choke statement. Tony @TalonTunes has 700mm CZ barrels inbound and I'm thinking about picking one up - specifically for use with slugs.

I'm going to have to give those Monster RD's a go one of these days - I've never heard anything bad about them.
 
@Centercut

Why did you test them so slow?

I chose to report this particular set of data because it is the tune my gun likes the best. With "best" being defined as best accuracy and efficiency combo. I get 60+ shots per fill with this tune and don't suffer a statistical decrease in accuracy by shooting them this slow. I've tested them up to 48 FPE. I'm trying to sort through all my notes and spreadsheets that are spreadout all over my basement from the last 6 months of data collection. I'm hoping to condense them into some useful data to share.

Why didn't you test the NSA or JSB slugs?

I've tested about every slug made. However, to keep the results reliable, I usually only test up to 5 at a time. It just worked out well that I had 5 slugs that are exactly .22 gr. I found that comparing slugs of similar weight (controlling as many variables as I can) more useful than a random weights. I've tested the NSA and JSB extensively as well. They will be included in a heavy weight category later on.

@jdanvers

Wouldn't a stronger choke be worse for slugs?

Maybe. It certainly slows them down. I don't currently have another barrel to compare against but suspect the twist rate has as much or more to do with accuracy than the velocity the slug travels through the choke. I heard a rumor the CZ has a slightly faster twist rate the the LW barrels, but can't verify that as fact.
 
Mike,

now that's what I think a lot of posts should be about — data and evidence. 👍🏼

Thanks A LOT for all the work you put into this, and the data you provided.

I like how you draw conclusions based on data — rather the seat-of-the-pants feelings.... 😄

Please, keep treating us to more of this kind of review and testing!! 👍🏼





I've got a lot to learn in airgunning(!), and I'm mostly passing info that I've read elsewhere:

🔶I'm very interested in the BC data! Excellent how you calibrated your chronos! For more precise BC calcuations there are some good options that allow to enter meteorological conditions and even the use of the GA drag function (applicable to pellets):

▪Hawke ChairGun, the computer version (not the mobile)

▪Hawke X-ACT, the mobile version on Android at least has this function, other version I suspect as well

Link for download both of these: https://www.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun-and-x-act-end-of-life.html

▪A new ballistic calculator, and much more yet — amazing work:

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/official-release-simple-pcp-calculator-mobile/





🔶I appreciate that you are doing testing at lower velocities that are achievable with more mainstream and less expensive PCPs. 👍🏼

For the expansion tests there are several factors that help or hinder expansion, and it would probably be good to specify those....

The variables that we can influence are: impact velocity and ballistic medium. 



➔ I've been collecting and summarizing slug (and pellet) expansion data, and for the best reliablity and comparability I'd love to see more tests with ballistic gel (DIY or store bought).

I'm posting the photo summaries of the expansion and penetration tests here (work in progress):

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/%f0%9f%94%b4-slugs-testing-how-much-they-expand-and-how-far-they-penetrate/





Thanks again, Mike, great job! 😊



Matthias
 
I suspected that BC changed with elevation, velocity and weather factors. I'm curious as to how much the various factors affect the BC. Does temperature change it a tiny amount or is it drastic?

I was surprised at how drastically the BC changed with just a couple fps difference. However, when putting the data in Strelok plus, the actual point of impact didn't change out to 100 yards very much between say .07 and .09. I bet rounding the data to the nearest hundredth decimal is plenty accurate enough. Most all had basically the same BC, which makes sense since they are the same weight and have basically the same shape. The only real difference in BC with mass produced slugs seems to be caused by the weight.

I think the Sectional Density and form factor are the values I might put more faith in since I believe they give a value of the aerodynamic properties of the projectile without factoring in the weight. At least it is something I intend to put more thought into.

Agreed, my expansion/penetration data is lacking beacuse it was kind of an after thought. I'm more of a target shooter so expansion and penetration don't weigh in on my purchasing decision as much. I would need to collect a bunch more data to feel like I got consistent results. Mostly, I was curious as to what the Talon slugs would do. They penetrated far more than I would have thought.
 
One thing I discovered is that for most slugs I shoot, BC increases with distance. I first noticed this shooting NSA 20.2 slugs from my .22 EDGun R3 Long at 985 FPS. At 90 yards, the BC was 0.07. At 110 yards it was 0.074. And at 125 yards it was 0.078. I did this using actual drop at those yardages from a 50 yard zero distance. I shot ten shots at each distance and used avg speed and avg drop from aim point. This is called Trajectory Validation (Truing) in Strelok Pro and seems to be the most accurate way to determine BC since you are using real world slug drop values.
Mike
 
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Mike,

🔶using the drop method to determine BC I heard Bob Sterne (GTA, HardAirMag) say that this is the least accurate. The velocity method is supposedly more accurate.

Can't argue for or against at this point — don't understand enough of it....





🔶 As far as the BC getting higher with longer ranges — yeah, that rings true — because slinging the 20.2 at 985 is pretty close to the speed of sound — and drag increases immensely in the transonic region.

(1) So, for the first 40y the slug is going above 900fps, with a pretty high drag (and therefore with a low BC).

(2) As it keeps slowing down the drag decreases (and BC increases).

(3) And the further the shots measured, the higher the portion of the trajectory where the BC is high in relation to the 40y with a low BC ➔ and thus the average BC is increasing.



Fascinating, this BC stuff....! 😄 



Matthias
 
I can’t say whether one way or the other works better but it works for me. What I can say is I use the multiBC function in Strelok. And last weekend using that BC and MV, I shot 3 juvenile ground squirrels at 161, 176 and 176 yards, and elevation on all three shots was perfect. So IMHO my method seems to work just fine... plus, it’s kinda hard to set up Chronys past 100 yards to get velocity way out there. :). Not sure why the method with the derived value would be more accurate than the one with actual values, but I’m certainly not at the knowledge level of Bob Sterne. 
 
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🔶using the drop method to determine BC I heard Bob Sterne (GTA, HardAirMag) say that this is the least accurate. The velocity method is supposedly more accurate.

Can't argue for or against at this point — don't understand enough of it....
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In an ideal situation, drop or velocity could work for calculating BC, but for long distances, the drop may not be a good way to measure BC.

At the longer distances, forward velocity falls off significantly, but the rotational velocity remains fairly constant. I could imagine the projectile becoming "overstabilzed" and take on a slightly "nose up" angle of attack. The resulting pressure drop above the projectile causes a small amount of lift. With the added lift, the projectile will not drop quite as much as the BC would dictate.