Taipan .25 cal owners - Can you post some pics of your 50 yard groups?

[tommyb]

Hey gang,

I have a Taipan .25 Long and have come full circle on some Chrony testing and associated accuracy out to a distance of 50 yards. All my testing/shooting has been outside with some amount of wind in the equation. I have chrony’d from 865-960 FPS in 10 FPS increments and have concluded that my optimum velocity/accuracy at 50 yards with the FX 25g pellet is in the 890-920 FPS range. I am around 905 FPS currently and I am curious as to what group sizes others are getting when they shoot this gun from the bench. I have an Accu-Tac Bipod and a good rear bag in my setup. 

I bought the gun in December 2020 and thus far I have shot about 50-100 5-shot groups at 50 yards, and I believe my “average” group size is between 3/4” to 1 1/4” range. By contrast, my RAW HM1000x .22 HP and Red Wolf Safari HP .22 regularly shoot 1/2” average group sizes and often times less than 1/2” under these same out door conditions.

My request - Can you post some pics ( if you save them) or describe your experiences with your .25 Vet in terms of what you get at 50 yards. I have a suspicion the .22 Standard or Long Vet might be more accurate at 50 yards, but that’s just a hunch with no data points. In any case, if you have groups and pics for your .25 Vet, please post them. 

Thanks 

Tom 

 

[bernieorosz]

My Taipan Veteran Long .25 can regularly get 1/2" groups at 50 yards if it's not too windy. Very accurate gun. I purchased it new in 2020 from Charlie Frear at Georgia Airguns. It has the newer style stock with the 'T' on it, and probably a LW barrel.

Here's a pic from last month, 05/2021, that I saved. I'm shooting the JSB 25.4's at 912 fps which seems to be best for this gun.

 

[elh0102]

Other things equal (and the never are), it's the barrel. I don't believe either caliber has an inherent advantage in accuracy. But barrels are always luck of the draw. From what I have seen, premium air rifle barrels are, in general very good. But my original Red Wolf barrel was junk, AOA agreed and replaced it. Unlike cartridge rifles, our ammo is very simple, no primer, powder, case variables. If the tuning and other equipment is good, and it's not shooting, I believe the answer will usually be found in the barrel or the shooter. 

 

[Rj]

I received a cz 22 barrel that the leade and crown were in poor condition. Im sure those groups can be tightened up considerably with a little work. Send the barrel to Motorhead and have him give it the once over. The little bit of downtime will be worth it. And will save pellets in the long run.

 

[airgunmike56]

What brand CZ barrel did you get that was bad??? I have never come across a bad CZ barrel, How did you figure it was bad? And what did you do to make it good???????

Mike

I received a cz 22 barrel that the leade and crown were in poor condition. Im sure those groups can be tightened up considerably with a little work. Send the barrel to Motorhead and have him give it the once over. The little bit of downtime will be worth it. And will save pellets in the long run.

 

[RadioFlyer]

Tommyb - are not those two pcp’s you refer to shooting 1/2” groups in the same outside conditions long guns? Rifles? If so, just a thought, perhaps the bull pup may take a little more seat time to achieve similar results if your accustomed to long guns. Just my 2 cents. A Taipan is certainly capable of 3 - 5 shot groups at 50 yds (regardless of caliber) with all shots touching in a no wind situation (rested). 

 

[tommyb]

Thanks all!

Bernieo - Now, those are the groups I would have expected to see, at least once in a while. Tx 

Jamie - yes, both rifles. My first bull pup, but when it’s on a bipod and on my rear rest, it still feels pretty steady. Offhand, would be a different story.

re. Barrel - Hmmm, may email Scott ( Motörhead ) and see what he says. Alternatively, I could call/email TT ( Tony ) and get a new barrel under warrantee I suppose. However, having the benefit of Scott look over the entire gun is probably the way to go.

Thanks.

Tom 

 

[Greenarrow]

This doesn't count since you asked for 25 cal and these are 22 but I just felt that I NEEDED to share mine. This is the norm for my abilities....

I'm usually shooting prone with a front bipod and rear bag with the standard. I have found that MY Taipan shoots more precise with a firmer grip vs. a loose grip. You can see the difference on that second picture. I have mine shooting JSB 18.1 @ 780 FPS. I go for shot count over power or a balance between the two.

OH, and that last picture is a good example of a tight vs. loose grip. Top is loose and bottom is tight. I may be able to lessen the difference with some trigger adjustment? But I have it where I like it and I know how it responds so I'm good with it.....

 

[Rj]

Thanks all!

Bernieo - Now, those are the groups I would have expected to see, at least once in a while. Tx 

Jamie - yes, both rifles. My first bull pup, but when it’s on a bipod and on my rear rest, it still feels pretty steady. Offhand, would be a different story.

re. Barrel - Hmmm, may email Scott ( Motörhead ) and see what he says. Alternatively, I could call/email TT ( Tony ) and get a new barrel under warrantee I suppose. However, having the benefit of Scott look over the entire gun is probably the way to go.

Thanks.

Tom

Thats where my crud barrel came from. Would be less time down and hassle sending it to Scott. The card sent with my Vet was NOT shot from the one i received. 

 

[Dairyboy]

I had accuracy issues with a Taipan Veteran Standard .25 before. My first one was a laser and never should have sold it. My second one a couple years later was very inconsistent. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me. It did have a more consistent spot at 930fps with JSB 25.4gr but not good still. Got a new LW barrel machined for it. Exact same thing. Couldn't figure it out! Ended up shooting polymags and was a laser with them. Ok tried the JSBs in my Daystate Huntsman .25 same as the Veteran no consistency which I know was a laser before. I got a bad batch of JSBs 25.4gr. It completely soured my whole experience with .25s and never got another one after that. Could be something like that you never know. Or it could be the barrel needs some touch up.

 

[JohnnyPDX]

Thanks all!

Bernieo - Now, those are the groups I would have expected to see, at least once in a while. Tx 

Jamie - yes, both rifles. My first bull pup, but when it’s on a bipod and on my rear rest, it still feels pretty steady. Offhand, would be a different story.

re. Barrel - Hmmm, may email Scott ( Motörhead ) and see what he says. Alternatively, I could call/email TT ( Tony ) and get a new barrel under warrantee I suppose. However, having the benefit of Scott look over the entire gun is probably the way to go.

Thanks.

Tom

Thats where my crud barrel came from. Would be less time down and hassle sending it to Scott. The card sent with my Vet was NOT shot from the one i received.

I 100% believe you!!!

 

[Motorhead]

a SHORT bullpup and heavy recoil of a .25 cal is not a recipe for great accuracy.



There simply is a very low chance a PUP in the larger calibers will hang with a LONG GUN while punching paper at distance

 

[JohnnyPDX]

Off the hood of my truck not especially comfortable at 46 yards

 

[Blejda]

I have Veteran compact. 25.

Mine doesn't like Jsb Kings very much.About 1" or more 5 shoots at 50y.

But with Hades i can consistently group under 1/2" at 50 if there isnt any wind.Also King heavy mk2 around 1/2 ". Even at low 800 fps which is the most i can get with my compact with those heavy pellets.

This compact is harder to shoot and takes more concentration then longer rifles and bullpups for me.

Regards Marko

 

[Greenarrow]

Off the hood of my truck not especially comfortable at 46 yards

Now your baked beans are gonna leak all over your pants....

 

[tommyb]

a SHORT bullpup and heavy recoil of a .25 cal is not a recipe for great accuracy.



There simply is a very low chance a PUP in the larger calibers will hang with a LONG GUN while punching paper at distance

I hear you on both points.

Having come from owning / using several high end long rifles which I have shot from the bench, I am finding the accuracy I have been getting with those long rifles to be better than the .25 Taipan based on my experience. Not a criticism of the bull pup, just validating your points. 

 

[JohnnyPDX]

Off the hood of my truck not especially comfortable at 46 yards

Now your baked beans are gonna leak all over your pants....

Geeze Dude it took me second to get the humor. Thank You... off to the wash room

 

[Blackpaw]

In my 25 Vet compact I am getting 1/2-3/4” groups off bags. I plan to put a pic-rail on it when I get back to the USA for my AccuTac bipod.

Also, I have heard from some people CZ has had a bad batch of barrels here and there. So when I get my next gun with a CZ barrel, the first thing to get checked will be the crown to make sure it is in proper order.

 

[tommyb]

Just an update to this post from a while back....Was out at the range again this week with the Taipan Long .25. KOI suppressor and shooting FX 25g pellets. I am still getting an average of .75 to 1 inch ( and sometimes 1" + ) at 50 yards. I am at about 905 FPS average with these pellets. Going to try the MK2's ( if I can order/get them ) and see if the 33g at lower velocity can do any better. 

As some of you have stated in this thread, it appears others have also had challenges with their .25 cal accuracy too. I am "resigned" to the fact that I am not going to get 1/2" average sized groups with this rifle. Could be the barrel, but as Scott indicated to me when we talked recently, shooting from the Bench with a bullpup and the recoil of the .25 is not the same as shooting with my RAW or RW long rifles. If I thought Tony at TT would swap out my .25 barrel and pellet probe for a .22 barrel and pellet probe, that might be an option for future consideration. I have a feeling that the .22 may be more accurate at 50 yards, but no facts/data to support that either. 

It's definitely not a deal breaker, but at some point down the road I may be selling the gun as I already have two other really good pesting / plinking .22 cals for backyard/woods usage and not really sure I need the Taipan as a "Third" backyard plinker.

Love the gun and although it was my first bull pup I can see why everybody is so high on this Brand. Great quality and build, and the trigger is superb!

Thanks for all the input.

 

[Centercut]

a SHORT bullpup and heavy recoil of a .25 cal is not a recipe for great accuracy.

There simply is a very low chance a PUP in the larger calibers will hang with a LONG GUN while punching paper at distance

Scott, no disrespect intended, but tell that to all the guys shooting .30 caliber Impacts at the EBR style events like RMAC, EBR, and PAC... and winning... When we recently shot in Oregon .30 and .25 high power pups shot the highest and third highest scores, with a .22 Thomas HP-X second best score in 100 yards. Unless of course you don't consider an Impact or Delta Wolf short...