Springer vs pcp

Guys around here shoot "AR" style looking .223 most i think come with a break which does nothing to the sound . Muzzle breaks only redirect the air away from the projectile .
Your incorrect buddy. Brakes make the sound much louder. A muzzle brake on a .223. I guess the Soyboys can't handle the recoil. It's what they see as Gamers and in the movies. So every one around them puts up with increased noise because that want look like the guys in the games. Muzzle brakes allow you to shoot a larger round and negate part of the recoil. So if your going to hunt say a Brown Bear with a .338 mag it's more manageable for most with the recoil of a 30/06, but at the cost of increased muzzle blast and magnified noise. Guys shoting targets can attempt to fight the wind with power as opposed to a better skill set in reading conditions. Some pb disciplines do not allow brakes.......good for them. The side discharge brakes like on some of the Rugers are particularly loud and annoying. Don't confuse a brske and a surpressor which from the stats I see still require additional ear protectio That vibration you fell going through your body is from the blast generated by the brake. I have seen hats blown off of shooters sitting 8 ft away at the next bench.
 
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Your incorrect buddy. Brakes make the sound much louder. A muzzle brake on a .223. I guess the Soyboys can't handle the recoil. It's what they see as Gamers and in the movies. So every one around them puts up with increased noise because that want look like the guys in the games. Muzzle brakes allow you to shoot a larger round and negate part of the recoil. So if your going to hunt say a Brown Bear with a .338 mag it's more manageable for most with the recoil of a 30/06, but at the cost of increased muzzle blast and magnified noise. Guys shoting targets can attempt to fight the wind with power as opposed to a better skill set in reading conditions. Some pb disciplines do not allow brakes.......good for them. The side discharge brakes like on some of the Rugers are particularly loud and annoying. Don't confuse a brske and a surpressor which from the stats I see still require additional ear protectio That vibration you fell going through your body is from the blast generated by the brake. I have seen hats blown off of shooters sitting 8 ft away at the next bench.
I have heard that across the pond a lot of places think shooting without a moderator is very rude !
 
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I’ve said this before and many disagree but I wouldn’t use an airgun for either of those two at all. Assuming you are located remotely I would go with a powder burner, 270, 30/30 or my personal favorite, .308. If you’re on a budget then a bolt action can be scoped and ready at all times for $500-700 very easily.

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I dropped an 11-12 pound gray fox with an Umarex Komplete .22 shooting 17gr pellets…. From 20y I hit him square in the chest(heart) and the pellet exited near his back left leg. He ran less than 10 yards… Airguns have more than enough power to get the job done. Shot placement and ammo selection are key. I wish I had shot the fox with one of those gamo red fires instead.

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I am no super star but I consider myself in fairly decent shape and capable of a full day of hard work but there is no way I am going to rely on hand pumping a pcp, in an emergency ok but as a main source of air its out of the question.
wouldn't this depend on how much you shoot ? If your just pesting say three nights a week and maybe shooting 5 shots a night ( a 45 shot count ) so 100 strokes of the pump every 3 weeks .
 
You’re incorrect buddy. Brakes make the sound much louder. A muzzle brake on a .223. I guess the Soyboys can't handle the recoil. It's what they see as Gamers and in the movies. So every one around them puts up with increased noise because that want look like the guys in the games. Muzzle brakes allow you to shoot a larger round and negate part of the recoil. So if your going to hunt say a Brown Bear with a .338 mag it's more manageable for most with the recoil of a 30/06, but at the cost of increased muzzle blast and magnified noise. Guys shoting targets can attempt to fight the wind with power as opposed to a better skill set in reading conditions. Some pb disciplines do not allow brakes.......good for them. The side discharge brakes like on some of the Rugers are particularly loud and annoying. Don't confuse a brske and a surpressor which from the stats I see still require additional ear protectio That vibration you fell going through your body is from the blast generated by the brake. I have seen hats blown off of shooters sitting 8 ft away at the next bench.
All of this is 100% on point… the wannabe tough guys with their call of duty setups 😂😂😂… I’m not gonna pretend to be an expert on anything but my entire childhood was spent on military bases. It’s not hard to tell the real shooters from the soy boys lol.
 
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wouldn't this depend on how much you shoot ? If your just pesting say three nights a week and maybe shooting 5 shots a night ( a 45 shot count ) so 100 strokes of the pump every 3 weeks .
Come on we all know a pcp and open tin of pellets are like an open bag of potato chips, you can't eat just one. Well maybe for me anyway.

I believe the op is probably going to be looking for at minimum a .25 probably a .30 for animals the size of fox and coyote and your probably no going to get 45 shots for 100 strokes. If you could get away with 100 strokes that would only be for top up so when you have to do maintenance you will be pumping from empty. Then there will be a lot of shooting after scope setup . Then you discover you need to test eight different pellets to find one the gun likes. By then your hooked and come to the realization your going to be shooting this thing a lot more than 3 times a day and need a compressor .
 
I have heard that across the pond a lot of places think shooting without a moderator is very rude !
If you put any stock in across the pond I am very disappointed. We threw them out and kicked their butt over 200 years ago, saved said butts several times since, I for one have no time for them or their thought.......except for the Air Arms folks,lol.
 
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I dropped an 11-12 pound gray fox with an Umarex Komplete .22 shooting 17gr pellets…. From 20y I hit him square in the chest(heart) and the pellet exited near his back left leg. He ran less than 10 yards… Airguns have more than enough power to get the job done. Shot placement and ammo selection are key. I wish I had shot the fox with one of those gamo red fires instead.

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That’s cool. You were very fortunate to get that angle for the kill shot.
I know, in my experience, you rarely get that opportunity when the critter lines up just right and the crosshairs are on the right spot.
Well done.
 
I am looking to get an air rifle for pest control up to the size of foxes or coyotes. I like the idea of a pcp but I don’t have it in the budget to get a big tank or a compressor so I would have to a hand pump. I would need the gun ready for when I needed it, can you leave a pcp charged for an extended period time or would it damage it?
There are no spring guns IMO that can ethically be thought to be useful on a coyote. I have taken coyotes with my .25 M-Rod set to near maximum power, .25, 34 grain pellet at 960 fps which is around 70 fpe and far more than any spring gun can generate.

You would be better off to get a good .22 rifle, a properly acquired, tax stamp legal .22 PB suppressor and some CCI Suppressor or Subsonic HP or Segmented rounds and even then coyotes can be tough, heck, even raccoons can be tougher, the big one can put up a fuss.
 
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That’s cool. You were very fortunate to get that angle for the kill shot.
I know, in my experience, you rarely get that opportunity when the critter lines up just right and the crosshairs are on the right spot.
Well done.
Yes sir that took work! I spent a few nights figuring out exactly which direction he was coming from and then I had to make my own blind using a tent’s green rain fly and some pine boughs… then I had to spend 4 nights freezing my a$$ off hiding in that blind before I got him… definitely a powder burner would have been way easier but even though I live on 6 acres it’s technically still town so no shooting allowed.

I still agree with your point though. I just wanted to point out that the power level of an airgun is only limiting if you’re not willing to find ways of mitigating that factor.
 
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Yes sir that took work! I spent a few nights figuring out exactly which direction he was coming from and then I had to make my own blind using a tent’s green rain fly and some pine boughs… then I had to spend 4 nights freezing my a$$ off hiding in that blind before I got him… definitely a powder burner would have been way easier but even though I live on 6 acres it’s technically still town so no shooting allowed.

I still agree with your point though. I just wanted to point out that the power level of an airgun is only limiting if you’re not willing to find ways of mitigating that factor.
You were definitely motivated to eliminate that fox.
 
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You were definitely motivated to eliminate that fox.
He was getting into the chicken coop so he had to go… beautiful coat but especially the tail.

At the time I almost felt bad. Now that I’ve been doing a lot more coyote calling in this area I find them rather annoying. They love to come to the call and just linger around like a wet fart. Bobbing their heads up and down eyes just shining away in the NV… but it’s never the red foxes which are open season all year long. Nope it’s the grays that you gotta have a furbearers for and there’s a season. Mine was in season but as a legit pest but even so I couldn’t do anything with the pelt. My buddy tanned it for me and it’s just chillin at my house. I wouldn’t sell it even if I could.
 
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Coyotes are my pest control as their diet is one of gophers, moles, and field mice. Killing a coyote would be very foolish. When I catch pocket gophers in my traps I leave them out for the coyotes as a treat.

With my .25 PCP rifle I have killed wild turkeys and a doe and a few cats that have been on my property. A Hill pump was replaced with a $300 electric compressor that I bought on Amazon. The $300 electric pump has replaced the Hill which has sat in a closet for the past two years.