Yup!!! My preferred plinking rounds
H&n makes the Excite series(brand/whatever) they rock in any style really
Norma makes beautiful "cheap" wadcutters
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H&n makes the Excite series(brand/whatever) they rock in any style really
Norma makes beautiful "cheap" wadcutters
If you are thinking Springers at 50-75 yards with a scope. Accuracywise, you are very close to PCP territory and probably at the limit of most springers.
At those distances, the only springers I would recommend are the RWS 54 or the Norica Omnia. Both are recoilless designs.
The RWS 54 (more spendy) is very accurate and is a known Scope eater. You are going to need a quality springer rated scope, best to pair it with a recoil absorbing mount like the Diana Bulleye ZR mount or the Dampa mount to protect your scope.
The Norica Omnia just became available at Pyramydair. $399.99. NO NEED for a recoil absorbing mount !!! (according to the reviews so far, you could use any type of scopes including budget scopes, the design is slightly different from the RWS 54 as your scope is mounted on the non-recoiling outer stock shell) I'm very tempted to try it except it's a gas ram and around 18FPE? it's too powerful for me to shoot in WFTF competition. Be nice if they came out with a lower powered version.
Although new, my choice would be the Omnia for what you want to do. Less money, faster learning curve, less frustration...it's a no brainer (well...except there's not a lot of history regarding the accuracy of that Norica rifle at 50-75 yards)
Choice of 0.177 vs 0.22 ...depends on a number of factors: your budget (0.177 in general more choices and less expensive); scope/reticle choice; how often you hunt (a lot vs a little).
The tie breaker would be if you hunt a lot, go with 0.22 for less wind drift and a good scope/suitable reticle due to the loopy trajectory. If mostly plinking and target shooting, go with the 0.177.
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I have a Sightron on 54 and s Hawke on a TX200. No problems and most important both hold point of aim and are repeatable.
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@JP806TX - That is an interesting rifle, thanks for the tip. There is a nice blog post on the rifle, now I am very curious! Mr. Gaylord always has something interesting to say.
Norica Omnia ZRS: Part One | Blog | Pyramyd AIR
Today I have the start of a very strange one for you. I'm reporting on the Norica Omnia ZRS breakbarrel spring-piston air rifle.
www.pyramydair.com
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I have been messing with .177 Norma Golden Trophy 8.4 (Diabolo) pellets. I am shooting a TX200 MIII. They are grouping in the .15" ctc range for 5 shot groups at 16.6 yards. I weight sorted 300 to the nearest 0.1 grain and they fell into 2 bins (save 8 pellets) at 8.3 and 8.4. So they are very consistent.
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That's good at 17 yards take them past 50. Totally different. Plus you're sorting them. I'd put a gun in my mouth before sorting pellets. Sorting cheap pellets takes away the price advantage, unless your time isn't valuable. I'd rather spend a couple bucks more a tin and not sort.
Seventeen yards doesn't extrapolate linearly to 50+. Shoot 50+ then tell me about cheap pellets. I'm not saying they can't work. I'm saying until you shoot unsorted pellets 50+ there's nothing to discuss.
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Look I'm not looking to argue with you. I've shot springers a hundred yards lots of times. Show me a page full of (6 or more) fifty yard targets with unsorted Norma or other cheap pellets that average under 2 MOA. Until then I'm done with this stupidity.
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Sorry to hijack the thread@JP806TX - That is an interesting rifle, thanks for the tip. There is a nice blog post on the rifle, now I am very curious! Mr. Gaylord always has something interesting to say.
Norica Omnia ZRS: Part One | Blog | Pyramyd AIR
Today I have the start of a very strange one for you. I'm reporting on the Norica Omnia ZRS breakbarrel spring-piston air rifle.www.pyramydair.com
Part 6 just got published
Still not impressed with the accuracy of the Omnia so far.
I kept looking and looking at this image for Part 6, it looks like a dime on the right =0.705 inches
"Today the Omnia rifle put 10 JSB Exact RS pellets into a 0.377-inch group at 25 yards."
hmmm. Does that look like a 0.377 inch group? Maybe Tom paired that image with the wrong caption?
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Groups are measured center to center. Typically people take the edge to edge measurement and deduct the projectile diameter from that. That's not typically accurate because paper targets close up a little behind round nosed and pointed projectiles. Only wadcutters cut near perfect holes. This makes them easy to measure and score. That's why wadcutters are used in many competitive shooting sports.
All that said that still doesn't look 0.377". Still a pretty good group for ten shots and 25 yards.
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That is excellent shooting. For me 1 MOA at 25 yards is extremely difficult to achieve but lots of fun trying. I believe that 1 MOA = .26" C to C. I am very happy with a 1.75" group at that distance.
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I have guns by four of the major makers, FWB, Weirhauch, Air Arms and Diana. My Diana is an AirPro King, .22 accurate and powerful but a beast to cock. Air Arms are absolutely beautiful underleavers, the ProSport looks more like a traditional rifle with a recessed cocking lever, but both are strictly right handed guns, at least with the more deluxe walnut stocks I got, One is drop dead Gorgeous burl walnut. Weirhauchs are all good, a little on the heavy side, as are those of the previous makers guns. Last is the FWB, or Feinwerkbau, My first back in 1975 was a model 124d in .177, which I have had rebuilt with new seals and springs twice in the almost 50 years I have had it. I also have a 300s which is designed as a 10 meter target rifle, probably the easiest to cock and to shoot accurately from almost any position. Mine has the factory front and rear diopter and will never change that. My newest is a FWB Sport, really an upgrade to the 124, a little harder to cock, but much better factory sights than any of the other guns which have factory sights, Trigger is not quite as nice as the HW rifles, but the safety makes it a completely ambidextrous guns as it is a push pull at the back of the receiver. My vote is the FWB sport, available only in .177. and honestly even with a scope mounted it has a weight and balance which makes it much easier to shoot than the other heavier guns.
As for caliber, .177 does out of the same and most guns shoot flatter, but lacks the energy of the 20 and 22 caliber guns, Sometime back in the latter, mid 70's I killed a crow with my FWB 124, .177 at about 60 yards, one shot, maybe lucky, I was a lot younger and steadier back then. If I were going for anything larger than a squirrel at say 30-35 yards, I would choose a .22 to ensure a quicker, cleaner kill.
As for caliber, .177 does out of the same and most guns shoot flatter, but lacks the energy of the 20 and 22 caliber guns, Sometime back in the latter, mid 70's I killed a crow with my FWB 124, .177 at about 60 yards, one shot, maybe lucky, I was a lot younger and steadier back then. If I were going for anything larger than a squirrel at say 30-35 yards, I would choose a .22 to ensure a quicker, cleaner kill.
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