Spoiled or Ruined? Either Way it Doesn’t Sound Very Good!

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So I have been enjoying the “puffer” guns a lot lately. I felt a little guilty neglecting the recoiling spring guns so I grabbed one. Wow! I was finding myself flinching for the first few shots. They surprised me. I had so quickly forgotten about the smashing sound of the action and the jump in the hands. I could not see where the pellet had hit until I gained my vision back through the scope.



I must be getting soft soft in my old age shooting those PCPs. I think I need to step aside and start reuniting myself with my spring guns.



So, am I getting ruined or spoiled shooting those PCPs? I say a little of both.🤪🤪🤪
 
Strange. I did the exact same thing.After watching the AEAC video of the pro-sport I felt a need to bring the springers out a couple of days ago. I had purchased a FlashPup late last year and then won the contest for the Dreamline this year. So that's all I've been shooting. Getting familiar with the pcp,s. So as mentioned,I was surprised by the recoil and noise and weight,remembering the hold. And now that I've been exposed to what a trigger can be like with the FX I asked myself the same ? Have I gotten spoiled? And then I realized,It was so clear to me in this moment of doubt. I just need to up-grade my springers. Yea,I just need a new springer,that's all I need.It'll be the last one,I PROMISE !
 
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I have an HW97 in .177 with a 12 fpe Vortek kit installed, and it's a pleasure to shoot (relatively speaking, to other spring guns). But, I use it only for an occasional back yard session, or to throw in the car for a trip where some shooting might be available, kind of a camping gun, I suppose. As for shooting it more, in partial replacement of my PCP rifles, well, I'll do that when I start buying cars again with no air conditioning or power brakes! As Bob Dylan wrote, "the times, they are a-changing". 
 
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Not sure I would use the term spoiled or ruined.....but you are losing a skill.



I have long said in the realm of sending a projectile somewhere with just air PCP is about as low skill as it gets.....CO2 is pretty close, but that darn cooling off can get you, and with MSP you at least are getting a little work out pumping that sucker up. 

Regulated, then all other PCP rifles are so darn easy.....it takes skill to shoot a spring gun well....it takes real skill to shoot a "magnum" spring gun well.....something that those that cant are quick to discount. Sorry you suck at shooting springs and need to invent reasons to leave them (not the op but others).



Keep your spring gun if you want to work on a skill that not everyone can master....in my book that says something. Sell it off if you want to take the easy little skill route and tell yourself it is just too darn hard.



Your choice.



Now I will await for those that cry to ding me again in this limp-wristed accurate thing this board has....great tool for those that can not stand real debate.



Tell me again why I bother coming here.
 
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They both have their place. Entirely personal choice. I have both and for me I like my HW 30 for walk hunting at close range. 

Most of my friends who shoot powder guns have at least one air rifle typically a hard cocking hard kicking cheap box store gun with a 15 lb trigger that does not represent the air rifle sport well.

I personally have no use for magnum springers or big bore PCP’s for that matter but quality is always admired. 

Some guys like hand tools some power. Very similar analogy. Right? 
 
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Well.....maybe a lack of memory?

After years and thousands of shots through those high-end-pellet-on-pellet pcp guns one take it for granted that this is the way it is meant to be?

Seems we do not tolerate the spread from a springer anymore just because we have forgotten how it was “in the good old days”?
 
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You guys are great! Remember we are ALL on the same team. 🤣🤣



I love all of the various air power plants. I own at least 2 of each. Probably more if I actually sat down and thought about it.



This is is how it went down...



i was out shooting my RS78 (QB78 converted to air and a repeater=R=Repeater, S=Special + 78) and my son came out. I asked if he wanted to shoot it and he did so I slid out of the captains chair and let him take over. I grabbed one (I have 3) of the HW95s and the trigger stick and pulled up beside him to shoot. That first shot with the 95 was surprisingly loud and I wasn’t able to watch the pellet drop into the target. I had to search for the hole that the pellet made.

Anyway, my son next to me commented on how loud the 95 was compared to the pcp gun. It sounds even louder with the stock pressed up against the side of my head. I even found that I was starting to flinch when pulling the trigger.... on a pellet gun! I like my springers tuned down to the 12-13 fpe range so they are considered “soft” shooting anyway but, compared with those high falutin puffer wonder guns, they are like artillery cannons. Ha ha! It’s all meant in fun.

All this to say, that I have been neglecting my cherished spring guns for the ease of use and quietness of my pcp guns. They are both fantastic ways to enjoy airgunning in my backyard with each one having there own advantages and disadvantages. The debate goes on! Charge ahead men, the battle awaits!
 
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I have a Crossman .177 break barrel, GAMO MAXXIM Swarm .22 and a Diana AM03 Mauser break barrel in .22 caliber. Also have a Daystate Regal Regulated HUMA .22 PCP, which was just recently tuned by Motorhead, and just purchased my first NON air rifle with a new Anschutz .22 LR 64 MPR which I love as well, for target shooting. 

I will agree with the OP and others, that it does take some extra skill to shoot the break barrels vs. the PCP. I have used all of these guns for pest control / light hunting for squirrels, racoons, possums and crows. Also have used them all for extensive target shooting at indoor and outdoor ranges. Candidly, it is a challenge for me to shoot very good groups and especially at greater distances with non-PCP air guns. I like the Diana best for accuracy, feel and overall quality vs. the other two guns. I never use the Crossman .177 anymore either.

Each have their place in the air gun world. I like taking out the Springers once in a while for the challenge they present. However, I will also freely admit I too am spoiled with the PCP, and with a new RAW HM1000x .22 caliber PCP soon to be in my stable.

Bottom line for me, I like shooting the PCPs more than the Springers but do see why everyone has their own preferences. They are all fun!






 
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Shooting a springer on a semi-regular basis will drastically improve your shooting, all of your shooting. 

I actually enjoy shooting springers. They are harder to shoot than a PCP, but much more rewarding.

PCPs are a precision tool for putting a pellet exactly where you want it with minimal effort. I'm out shooting prairie dogs with my Taipan Veteran as I type this. Using a rangefinder, Strelok, and some good pellets, the only thing causing misses is the little breeze. 

I view the PCP vs springer argument as the following: springers for sheer shooting pleasure (no concerns about air source or shot counts or am I still on the regulator, etc) and PCPs for precision (killing critters and field target). 
 
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Being a naturally-violent individual, I still enjoy springers... in moderation, mind you. Probably relates to also being infatuated with raw mechanicals; so having such a violent chain-of-(mechanical)-events taking place inches from my face every time I pull the trigger is not unlike handling rattlesnakes, or having sexual relations with a psychofreak from hell. One key to enjoying such potentially-dangerous activities lies "in moderation", and knowing One's limits!

So it might not be so much that you've been ruined or spoiled, so much as (as you put it), "I must be getting soft soft in my old age". Don't feel bad about it; with age comes wisdom born of experience(s). Heck, at age 65 I gave up having sexual relations with more than two psychofreaks from hell (at a time)!


 
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I have a handful of PCP's around (as well as springers) and all are good shooters, some excellent shooters. They certainly seem easier to shoot for groups than the springers I have in general. But as I've mentioned before, the one rifle I pick up first if I have to hit a target first shot is a Walther LGU. It may not be quite as capable as the best PCP's for small groups due to the PCP vs. springer mechanics noted but it is my most consistent first shot air gun. All relative to ones needs in the long run.

I'll keep my springers and will be adding some more PCP's.

And I ain't giving up my psychofreaks from hell for any reason, but I'm only 60.
 
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I like all those things as well, some of them a little too much. And I like PCP's a lot. Just counted-I have 3 PCP rifles and 2 PCP pistols and plan to get an Impact and a Pulsar shortly. Still, with all the issues springers can present, there is something about having a package that can be cocked and shot as long as you have a pellet that appeals to me. Also a lot. But I like the PCP's also.
 
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