Something interesting in silencers

I've got two guns that I've shortened the barrels. Using adapters to install the silencers.

To go with that, I'm using the DonnyFL, Tatsu silencers on both. Why, because they are short.

The last coupla days, I've been playing with the sound deadening material in one of them. Paper, Scotch Brite (two grades) and open cell foam, so far.

In the very many years that I've worked in the Aerospace industry, Foam blocks are attached to the walls and ceilings and much of the floor in all of the acoustic test cells that I've ever be in. Very similar to what used in recording studios. Just large triangular blocks of open cell foam.

I found some foam sheeting use as a packing filler. A semi-closed cell foam does a decent job of quieting the bark. I used my .22 Walther Reign as the test rifle. The testing was done in my short "range", which is near the hall down the center of my house. The gun was filled with air. The foam filled Tatsu, was audibly quieter than the unmodified Tatsu. The sound was also of a lower pitch than the unmodified Tatsu. I thought cool, the short tube of the Tatsu, with better quieting of the sound emitted.

THEN...today, I tried the same two Tatsu silencers on my .22 Prophet. I didn't grab a particular one first, just grabbed one to see if I could tell the difference. Ha...the "Unmodified" Tatsu did much better on the Prophet than the foam filled Tatsu. Just the opposite of that on the Reign..!? And to add to that, the regulator on my Prophet has been turned way down by the person that did some tuning work on it, so...I figured that if anything, it should be about the same as the sound emitted from the Walther Reign...but not so. The unmodified Tatsu on the Prophet is "much" quieter than I ever thought that it would be. The shrouded barrel combined with the original Tatsu is the quietest PCP that I own (9) by far.

So, as something that I've always been known to do...experiment, you might find things that you didn't expect...and have some fun doing it.



Mike
 
Thanks for sharing that experience, interesting! 😊



I would expect that the silencer works very different when the gun shoots a pellet than when it does not....



I also have read from silencer tests that when a gun has a lot of air to quiet down* — then silencers will show their true colors.... — bigger cans will have the advantage here.

*A lot of air because it doesn't have a shroud, or it is a large-caliber high-power gun, or it is set to high power, or the regular—HST setting is overadjusted and sends out a lot of air without increasing the pellet's velocity.



Just my 2c. 😊

Matthias
 
All guns react differently to any brand and model of silencers you are 100% correct in your findings. Next step is to try different brands and keep going and sooner or later you got drawers filled with all different ones like me and I just leave them on as gun specific to not disturb accuracy. Best to epoxy or locktite to make them permanent if long distance accuracy is of utmost importance to you. If it's short range 50 yards and under it shouldn't really matter much. Half inch or quarter inch or better at 50 yards where half inch is good enough for probably 99% of airgumners anyway who don't need consistent one hole groups at 80 nor sub half inch at 100 yards anyway. Bad mix of silencer to any given gun results in less than optimal accuracy especially if the threads aren't 100% perfectly machined. You can fix poor machining threads on the silencers and or adapters by using yellow gas sealing Teflon tape. Try screwing the adapter to the gun half way does it wobble? Same goes with the silencer threaded to the gun screw it half way does it wobble? You can also index them for optimum accuracy and to not clip and get the same caliber specific to your gun to get it quietest and most accurate as possible too.
 
In many instances a simple hair curler wrapped in scotch brite replacing the silencer guts (some are really useless BTW) makes them even quieter and more accurate as well. Improved versions using hair curlers cut into sections and spaced with washers and even a spring wrapped works even better. I noticed scotch brite type material lubed with oil often most effective where foam takes up necessary volume needed to quiet them down enough

AZ (MOUSEFART QUIET CUSTOM GUN AND CALIBER SPECIFIC LDC MAKER BAR NONE) uses scotch brite type material and if you want the best (EXTREME QUIET BAR NONE) you copy from the best. The hair curlers wrapped in scotch brite type material separated by washers is an improvised DIY of his fine mesh wire screen (looks similar to hair curler) wrapped in scotch brite type material.
 
Custom washers can be made using the discard / drop from a hole saw which easily cuts 1/8" thick, or thicker, aluminum sheet or plate. Then a short piece of 1/4" all thread with two nuts on it then place through the middle of the 'washer' tighten down nuts and sand to correct OD using a drill with the all thread chucked into it. Run the drill CCW. Then a drill press with step bit to get correct center hole ID.
 
Custom washers can be made using the discard / drop from a hole saw which easily cuts 1/8" thick, or thicker, aluminum sheet or plate. Then a short piece of 1/4" all thread with two nuts on it then place through the middle of the 'washer' tighten down nuts and sand to correct OD using a drill with the all thread chucked into it. Run the drill CCW. Then a drill press with step bit to get correct center hole ID.


Great tip buddy!


 
Gents,

I'm LMAO. I was dicking around with Scotch Brite the other day in a suppressor and thought I was a Super Genius...the first person to ever think about it!

My Impact has an LDC on it with no baffles, screens, etc. It's just a tube with a cap on it. Using the plastic baffle from my Cricket moderator, wrapped with white Scotch Brite and stuffed into the Impact LDC, I was able to quiet it it down by 6 points on the decibel meter. Even without the baffle, just Scotch Brite rolled into the LDC, quieted it down 4-5 points. I went looking for baffle material locally and couldn't find anything suitable, and briefly entertained the idea of setting-up something on the mill and making one, but lost interest.

And then Odoyle mentions curlers. AFG (Absolutely F'ing Genius). I guess I'll be visiting the local beauty supply store and heading back to the old drawing board.

Thanks for that nugget, Odoyle.

Justin
 
Gents,

I'm LMAO. I was dicking around with Scotch Brite the other day in a suppressor and thought I was a Super Genius...the first person to ever think about it!

My Impact has an LDC on it with no baffles, screens, etc. It's just a tube with a cap on it. Using the plastic baffle from my Cricket moderator, wrapped with white Scotch Brite and stuffed into the Impact LDC, I was able to quiet it it down by 6 points on the decibel meter. Even without the baffle, just Scotch Brite rolled into the LDC, quieted it down 4-5 points. I went looking for baffle material locally and couldn't find anything suitable, and briefly entertained the idea of setting-up something on the mill and making one, but lost interest.

And then Odoyle mentions curlers. AFG (Absolutely F'ing Genius). I guess I'll be visiting the local beauty supply store and heading back to the old drawing board.

Thanks for that nugget, Odoyle.

Justin

Hey Justin,

Dollar Tree has decent plastic curlers but if you want ones with drilled aluminum tubing go to Rite Aid. Craft store for heavy felt works quite well.
 
Gents,

I'm LMAO. I was dicking around with Scotch Brite the other day in a suppressor and thought I was a Super Genius...the first person to ever think about it!

My Impact has an LDC on it with no baffles, screens, etc. It's just a tube with a cap on it. Using the plastic baffle from my Cricket moderator, wrapped with white Scotch Brite and stuffed into the Impact LDC, I was able to quiet it it down by 6 points on the decibel meter. Even without the baffle, just Scotch Brite rolled into the LDC, quieted it down 4-5 points. I went looking for baffle material locally and couldn't find anything suitable, and briefly entertained the idea of setting-up something on the mill and making one, but lost interest.

And then Odoyle mentions curlers. AFG (Absolutely F'ing Genius). I guess I'll be visiting the local beauty supply store and heading back to the old drawing board.

Thanks for that nugget, Odoyle.

Justin

Hey Justin,

Dollar Tree has decent plastic curlers but if you want ones with drilled aluminum tubing go to Rite Aid. Craft store for heavy felt works quite well.

Johnny,

Thanks for the tips. I appreciate it.

I have some thicker (.125 or so), industrial wool felt I may try as well.

Thanks,

Justin
 
...curlers but if you want ones with drilled aluminum tubing go to Rite Aid.

I looked online for the aluminum curlers at Rite Aid. Do you remember what they look like, or brand, etc?

Sorry. I'll check tomorrow and give you the brand and sku

Thanks. But don't go just for me. I can also check. 

Edit: this may be it. https://www.riteaid.com/shop/conair-rollers-thermal-self-grip-body-curl-12-piece-set-0305226?gclid=CjwKCAiA_Kz-BRAJEiwAhJNY7_-D8jKjLjc3p0-m9HnlpDdJyUfGds935PD0viVibQrANT1anB473hoCtZIQAvD_BwE
 
AZ's wire mesh he uses to wrap his scotch brite type material around looks like this but his looks like aluminum mesh so get curler rollers with most air flow ability like this. Don't want to block breathing area with too thick plastic or metals. Main thing the holes aren't too restricted. Slotted plastic curlers gutted out works too. Sometimes the inner guts work depending on type of dollar store curlers used. 

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...curlers but if you want ones with drilled aluminum tubing go to Rite Aid.

I looked online for the aluminum curlers at Rite Aid. Do you remember what they look like, or brand, etc?

Sorry. I'll check tomorrow and give you the brand and sku

Thanks. But don't go just for me. I can also check. 

Edit: this may be it. https://www.riteaid.com/shop/conair-rollers-thermal-self-grip-body-curl-12-piece-set-0305226?gclid=CjwKCAiA_Kz-BRAJEiwAhJNY7_-D8jKjLjc3p0-m9HnlpDdJyUfGds935PD0viVibQrANT1anB473hoCtZIQAvD_BwE

That link is the one from Rita Aid. Both brands have an exterior that is basically the 'hook' part of Velcro so it grabs felt nicely, maybe ScotchBrite too?



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