Slugs- seems to be a rabbit hole.

Well, based on the title, one can guess I have been playing around with slugs and read posts trying to garner knowledge/ understanding about this subject. All I can say is this stuff is involved! Some would say "well, just keep shooting until you find one that does well" . Alright, fair enough, but the variables are staggering. I've read parameters of importance regarding length, diameter, center of mass, and base- boat tail, flat base, dish base, cup base, cone, ouch! Then obviously there is grain weight where 1-5 g difference has big impact on results. Then you have composition of slug some advocate pure lead to minimize barrel wear caused by slugs with more antimony or whatever compounds added for what is deemed proper mix for their projectile. Lastly, I don't wish to shoot every type slug in every brand in a particular caliber- a huge amount of time and cost invested . To try to narrow the search down you can measure barrel diameter, now , I've again read some say "It's the bore diameter" while others swear "It's the groove diameter" and let's not forget velocity and twist rate which have advocates over a wide spectrum. There has to be a general way to narrow this process down, and I'm convinced it's the barrel diameter but, slugs come with general measurements like pellets and I've seen the variation differences in a tin of pellets as well as their effect on accuracy. Now a slug has far more contact area in a barrel than a pellet so the hundreth of a mm difference in diameter is that much more impactful on the accuracy. I like they way slugs shoot, but it appears to be a daunting task to find "the one".
 
Sounds like a lot of work to me. I got into Airguns to shoot pellets at sub 100 yards and in 90% of my shooting sub 50 yards. Have no interest in trying a dozen different slugs to see what might work. I like my JSB Exact Jumbos 18s, consistent and accurate from tin to tin. I can understand the advantages of shooting slugs long range 100+ yards. But most shooters get into Airguns for their short range capabilities, the whole slug craze seems counterintuitive. That said, send down range whatever projectiles make you happy. 
 
I read this with great interest. It makes me think I should be using my CZ 452 with sub sonic HP to do some of what I want my 25 to do. The CZ thinks that stuff is match ammo (it is Eley after all) and it's quiet too. It is whatever you want to do. Shoot what you want. How you want. I know I will still pursue slugs for my PCPs. I do think there is a place for my 452 ( I live rural) in my rotation.

Jim
 
I've been on the fence about trying slugs. I thought to myself about my use.... would I hunt with slugs..sure if there accurate will I extend my range because now I'm using slugs..no not the areas I hunt. My hunting is mainly squirrel/crow when in season pellets do the job very well. will I just sit around at my range and target shoot with slugs..nope! Pellets just make more since for my use...my rti Prophet performance already shoots pellets very very well out to a 100 yards...I only shoot targets at that range... squirrels and crows are usually inside of 50 yards. Its pellets for me
 
Sounds like a lot of work to me. I got into Airguns to shoot pellets at sub 100 yards and in 90% of my shooting sub 50 yards. Have no interest in trying a dozen different slugs to see what might work. I like my JSB Exact Jumbos 18s, consistent and accurate from tin to tin. I can understand the advantages of shooting slugs long range 100+ yards. But most shooters get into Airguns for their short range capabilities, the whole slug craze seems counterintuitive. That said, send down range whatever projectiles make you happy.

You make all the good points about pellets. I've shot both at 75 and 100 yards. slugs hit with significantly more authority, but if the grouping sucks, what good is it. I shoot vast majority pellet. It's just at a hundred yards it feels like your lobbing them in.
 
I've been on the fence about trying slugs. I thought to myself about my use.... would I hunt with slugs..sure if there accurate will I extend my range because now I'm using slugs..no not the areas I hunt. My hunting is mainly squirrel/crow when in season pellets do the job very well. will I just sit around at my range and target shoot with slugs..nope! Pellets just make more since for my use...my rti Prophet performance already shoots pellets very very well out to a 100 yards...I only shoot targets at that range... squirrels and crows are usually inside of 50 yards. Its pellets for me

With your operating criteria, I wouldn't waste time and money with slugs. you have a proven technology. 
 
Going to slugs is worth it, but the process is a lot of work and money - just like you said.

The largest benefits:

1. Reduce wind drift

2. Reduce hold over/under.

15:08 - 15:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YrMdUBDgdU

The biggest decision I have to make within 70 yards is what elevation mil to use.

If you want to move from little league to the majors, especially with a pcp mfg. in the last three years, then you graduate to slugs. Want to get the most out of your gun? Shoot slugs. I don't understand why people with 3K rigs today are still shooting pellets.

The gun doesn't need to be a 4K FX/Nightforce rig. I shoot 65 yards with 20 year old PCP.177 guns. 65 yards with a .177 sub 20FPE gun? If you told me that three years ago I'd say you were high on drugs.

Also have a bunch of .22 and 25 guns that have been converted too.

https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/logun-solo-177/#post-49161

https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/jsb-knockout-177-slugs-from-utah-airguns/




 
I love the slugs myself. Slugs have a much better BC so retain the fpe and buck the wind so much better than a pellet.

For the most part ,since I shoot the NSA brand, they don't cost much more than a decent JSB pellet.

Then again as Centercut points out with his 100 yards and over statement you seldom need a slug at less. I seldom shoot at under 100 yards unless I am tuning.

Yes, if you are trying to find a slug that shoots well in your gun it can take a bit of time and cost more than one would like. But it's really hard to beat the feeling you get when you hit that nirvana tune with the right slug.

Best way to cut the cost down is to scour the net and find somebody with the same gun shooting slugs that has already done the werq for you.

If they don't shoot as good as pellets, in your gun, your tune is not right yet, the specific slug is not good in your barrel or your barrel has problems.


 
Keep it simple. What diameter projectile is your barrel best suited for? Use that. What power range does your gun operate best in? Use that. What weight of projectile will give you your ideal velocity? Use that. Different projectile types have larger or smaller bearing surfaces. Select the one that is ideal for your twist rate. The rest is just down to tuning. 
 
Sometimes I buy a tin of slugs (or a box from NSA) to try. I had pretty much given up on slugs from my 25 Avenger. But then I tried some NSAs I purchased for the P35. The P35 did not like them but the Avenger seems to. P35 shoots a couple different weight H&N Slug HPs well. But they are hard to find. The P35 does not shoot the heavier ones fast enough for them to expand and the lighter ones only barely expand. I would need to tune it up if I were to get serious. But I don't see a need that slugs fill for me. So I just mess around sometimes. I can't imagine shooting at a squirrel over 50 yards away. Pellets work well for what I do.
 
Having shot slugs in both .22, and .177 cal on my impact, I really think .177 slugs is a nice option, for longrange plinking, if not hunting is the main goal. You get a box of JSB knockouts (probably other brands also) with the same ammount in the box, as many pellets boxes. And at the same price. And the gun doeas not use that much air, compared to pushing a bigger caliber slug. But it probably is more challenging to find acceptable accuracy, shooting .177 slugs. My .22 700mm barrel setup went well, without to much effort. But I did not manage to get decent results with a .177 500mm barrel. Tried "regular" and superior. Then I bought a 700mm FX superior barrel (which has the same twistrate as the 500mm ones), and got much better results. Do not really know if it was the lenght only wich made the difference, or if FX has made some small changes, since the 700mm ones are rather new. What I did notice is that the "sweetspot" seems to be narrower with slugs. Adjusting the speed a litle lower, or higher, than the sweetspot, seems to throw the slugs more off, than a similiar pellet tune. I did manage to get good acuracy shooting the 13 grains knockouts at about 950-970 fps range, with much less sensivity to wind, and flater trajectory, then I have achieved with pellets.
 
Long or short range it makes no difference, slugs are better for hunting. They carry more energy to the target at any distance.

This is the first yr I've used slugs for hunting & I won't go back to pellets unless its a animal smaller than a squirrel or I'm just target shooting or plinking.

The biggest problem I had shooting slugs, was realizing more frequent cleanings are needed in order to maintain accuracy! this is especially important in choked barrels.

You should also clean your barrel between the testing of different slugs & allow the barrel to season (4-6 shots) to the new slug before gathering accuracy info. 


 
Can confirm that the rabbit hole slugs SEEM to be is indeed an experience that'll leave a guy feeling more crazy than the mad hatter. 

My experience has been entirely in .22 and .177 and mostly 25grains and below and 45fpe and below, NSA/Griffin/H&N/JSB in various weights and sizes from at least 8 different guns and 14 different barrels, choked and unchoked, poly and cut rifling, standard twist and slow twist, all to at least 100 yards.....my conclusion has been the following: a rare few slugs shoot as well as pellets, but none shoot better. And in the lightweight stuff, the BC differences the hard core pro slug guys are always touting simply aren't enough better than similar weight pellets to matter, ESPECIALLY when comparing real world results and not hearsay (actually shooting similar weight pellets and slugs in the same wind at the same targets). 

Probably going up in weight and fpe the slugs will pull ahead, at least from the true specialty slug guns and their barrels, like the Thomas HPX. But in the context of relatively light weight/low power, I'm not impressed and ain't drinking the coolaid. I will still test slugs out of each new barrel/gun that comes through, but the graveyard shelf of partial bags/boxes/tins of slugs that don't outperform pellets is getting substantial. 

Fully aware that the above conclusions are anything but popular in the industry right now so 🔥 on, but with the quantity of lightweight slugs that I've sent downrange, you won't change my mind. 
 
Well, based on the title, one can guess I have been playing around with slugs and read posts trying to garner knowledge/ understanding about this subject. All I can say is this stuff is involved! Some would say "well, just keep shooting until you find one that does well" . Alright, fair enough, but the variables are staggering. I've read parameters of importance regarding length, diameter, center of mass, and base- boat tail, flat base, dish base, cup base, cone, ouch! Then obviously there is grain weight where 1-5 g difference has big impact on results. Then you have composition of slug some advocate pure lead to minimize barrel wear caused by slugs with more antimony or whatever compounds added for what is deemed proper mix for their projectile. Lastly, I don't wish to shoot every type slug in every brand in a particular caliber- a huge amount of time and cost invested . To try to narrow the search down you can measure barrel diameter, now , I've again read some say "It's the bore diameter" while others swear "It's the groove diameter" and let's not forget velocity and twist rate which have advocates over a wide spectrum. There has to be a general way to narrow this process down, and I'm convinced it's the barrel diameter but, slugs come with general measurements like pellets and I've seen the variation differences in a tin of pellets as well as their effect on accuracy. Now a slug has far more contact area in a barrel than a pellet so the hundreth of a mm difference in diameter is that much more impactful on the accuracy. I like they way slugs shoot, but it appears to be a daunting task to find "the one".

I'm with you. My best luck has been riding on the coat tails of the trail blazers. Currently having moderate to good luck with my Impact in .177 shooting the 13.43 Knock Outs. Very similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBPZFww9B98

I was expecting a much more difficult journey, but I may be where I need to be now. Good luck on yours.