Skout Skout Epoch in .177

Before anyone jumps to any misguided negative conclusions "STOP". Please read my post carefully.
The Skout Epoch in .177 is the best airgun i have ever returned to a merchant for a refund; actually the only airgun i have ever returned to a merchant for a refund.

I specifically waited for the .177 Cal Skouts release before buying the Skout Platform. Primarily because my backyard isn't conducive to larger caliber fun and most of my shooting is field target oriented. At this point in time, 7/29/23, I assume, I am probably one of the very few people who have purchased this gun in this specific caliber as the company intentionally started with the larger calibers and worked their way down.

I loved everything about this gun, the hard case, the accessories, the extra barrel and ohhhh the craftsmanship!
I even liked the annoying little female voice telling me she was powering the gun off or on or that i made a fire fault.
I liked the fitment of the new Donny FL accessory attachment at the end of the barrel; especially when paired with a Silent Thunder Ordnance Moderator!

The icing on the cake is the manufacturer of Skout Epoch - They have without question, the best team of airgun folks I've ever run into... cradle to grave, they are on their game! Huge Kudos to Skout!

So if i like my Skout Epoch soooo much, why did i send it back for a refund?

I purchased this state of the art beast with the intention of using this gun in a soon to be National Shooting event; thus it needs to be completely sorted now, as in perfected, so i could have enough time to become one with the platform and shoot intuitively. This means i don't have time to sort through a problem that requires a manufacturer, no matter how good, to go back and forth with me; especially considering I'm an end user and I am not a technically inclined sort of guy who has the time to take things apart and reassemble them and then test again.

As best i can tell, at this point in time, the Skout Epoch in .177 only has one flaw - the magazines. If you study the pictures you will understand why. The original magazine that came with my gun from the retailer was chewing up the skirts on my JSB 10.34 pellets - my favorite for field target. Why?
Best my pea brain can decipher from the pictures and pellets, is the holes which contain the pellets in the magazine and assist in feeding them into the breech, are just too damn big.

When i sent Skout an email, they immediately jumped into action and sent me two more "reworked"? magazines and a different pellet probe to try.
The new magazines were better but the problem was still there, a problem i could feel it every time i feed a pellet into the bore...way too much resistance for a .177 pellet. I have a clever tool - a perfect carbon fiber rod designed for a .177 barrels which allows me to gently push a pellet back out of the breech to inspect for pellet feed issues; this is how i was able to get a good look at the damaged pellets without firing them - once fired a damaged pellet was visible by where it did not hit the target.

Will i buy this .177 Skout Epoch again? ABSOLUTELY!

bellow picture is pellet skirt from original magazine:

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Original mag space around a JSB 10.34 pellet full or partial load


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Typical space around pellet in a partial or fully loaded magazine.

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old probe

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Donny FL adaptor with Silent Thunder moderator - not used to test fire pellets during feed problems.

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new probe and new magazines sent by SKOUT

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New magazine but still way Easy to see TOO much space around pellet and too little contact surface holding pellet concentrically during feed.

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head damage on pellet consistent with pellet canting during loading process.

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Point of AIM is always the fine cross hairs on the splatter burst target. Although perfectly Zeroed at 25 yards and locked in on a bench on a no wind day, every pellet was chasing the zero; consistent (i believe) with pellet loading damage.

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Is there such a thing as a single shot tray for the Skout? Given the intention to use for Field Target I would think a single shot tray would be desirable anyway. Given the pellet deformation from the magazine I guess there would be no way no way to determine the actual accuracy potential without single loading. Hopefully they'll get the magazines redesigned.
 
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Bummer, shouldn’t be too hard to sort the mag out though. They seem to be pretty proactive in fixing the problems, good to see they came out with other calibers. It would be wise to copy some expects of FX mag and maybe even make a smaller version for 177-22 cal. when I first saw the design of the mag I was also thinking this is not very good, it doesn’t even have a blank slot so you know when you are empty.

Maybe try to find a single loader in the meantime?
 
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Is there such a thing as a single shot tray for the Skout? Given the intention to use for Field Target I would think a single shot tray would be desirable anyway. Given the pellet deformation from the magazine I guess there would be no way no way to determine the actual accuracy potential without single loading. Hopefully they'll get the magazines redesigned.
i did a bunch of single shot loads via my fat little fingers... very difficult to feed but i did and yepr it was very accurate. its the mag or at least i think its the mag.
 
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Yea .... not surprised as probe depth being able to get a pellet OUT OF THE CASSETTE and into the breech thimble BEFORE the Mag cassette tries to rotate for the next pellet.
Ideally as skirt of pellet leaves cassette and in turn the cassette starts to rotate, it needs to land on the full diameter of the loading probe and not whack the skirt of pellet being loaded.

Taking a big bore design and micro sizing it has all these rotation / insertion / clipping issues due to cyclic timing become super critical.
PLUS SIDE Is that this lesson being learned by SKOUT will carry over to the other calibers. ;)
 
Yea .... not surprised as probe depth being able to get a pellet OUT OF THE CASSETTE and into the breech thimble BEFORE the Mag cassette tries to rotate for the next pellet.
Ideally as skirt of pellet leaves cassette and in turn the cassette starts to rotate, it needs to land on the full diameter of the loading probe and not whack the skirt of pellet being loaded.

Taking a big bore design and micro sizing it has all these rotation / insertion / clipping issues due to cyclic timing become super critical.
PLUS SIDE Is that this lesson being learned by SKOUT will carry over to the other calibers. ;)
I’ll just say wow - owner of Skout personally called me and assured me he will personally build me a gun and test that gun and mags with a national FT champion shooter and RE machine whatever as necessary and get it to me! WOW! Like I said Skout IS an amazing company.
 
I’ll just say wow - owner of Skout personally called me and assured me he will personally build me a gun and test that gun and mags with a national FT champion shooter and RE machine whatever as necessary and get it to me! WOW! Like I said Skout IS an amazing company.
wow, now THAT'S service!!!
 
Yea .... not surprised as probe depth being able to get a pellet OUT OF THE CASSETTE and into the breech thimble BEFORE the Mag cassette tries to rotate for the next pellet.
Ideally as skirt of pellet leaves cassette and in turn the cassette starts to rotate, it needs to land on the full diameter of the loading probe and not whack the skirt of pellet being loaded.

Taking a big bore design and micro sizing it has all these rotation / insertion / clipping issues due to cyclic timing become super critical.
PLUS SIDE Is that this lesson being learned by SKOUT will carry over to the other calibers. ;)
On my Carm aftermarket mags, each pellets slot is completely enclosed, so the pellet doesn’t get deformed by the cycling. I wonder if that would be a solution?
 
On my Carm aftermarket mags, each pellets slot is completely enclosed, so the pellet doesn’t get deformed by the cycling. I wonder if that would be a solution?
That is a miens that many magazines use. As pellet is leaving cassette the full probe diameter has/is entering, thus no rotation what so ever until probe is fully back loading the next sequential pellet etc ...

Whats typically bad about mags of this style, IS THAT the pellet about to be shot rests against a stop and thus gets lined up to load.
The MORE pellets the mag holds the more total rotational mass the assembly has ... thus when a pellet is used as the miens to stop index rotation it is more easily damaged. Large thick skirt pellets and slugs can generally handle it ... light & fragile .177's not so much.
 
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That is a miens that many magazines use. As pellet is leaving cassette the full probe diameter has/is entering, thus no rotation what so ever until probe is fully back loading the next sequential pellet etc ...

Whats typically bad about mags of this style, IS THAT the pellet about to be shot rests against a stop and thus gets lined up to load.
The MORE pellets the mag holds the more total rotational mass the assembly has ... thus when a pellet is used as the miens to stop index rotation it is more easily damaged. Large thick skirt pellets and slugs can generally handle it ... light & fragile .177's not so much.
This is true, although at least in my carm mags, the stop pin contacts the head of the pellet, so the skirt doesn’t take the brunt of it.
 
You all are tempting me bad with that 1st class customer service. I am to a point since I re started the pcp gig that if the company has crap for CS I won't buy. Alot of these companies out there talk the talk on CS & in my case argue there is no problem. Sounds like Skout doesn't play that game . I spend more time looking for parts & sizing orings by hand then shooting ....I don't want that sh... I just wanna shoot & shoot more...lol
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Is there such a thing as a single shot tray for the Skout? Given the intention to use for Field Target I would think a single shot tray would be desirable anyway. Given the pellet deformation from the magazine I guess there would be no way no way to determine the actual accuracy potential without single loading. Hopefully they'll get the magazines redesigned.
I spoke with the owner of Skout, Bill yesterday and addressed the single shot issue. He listened carefully, asking me questions. I explained how field target works with lanes and number of targets and shots per target, afterwards he summarized the issues and told me he was going to jump right on it!
What an amazing man! What an amazing company!
 
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I spoke with the owner of Skout, Bill yesterday and addressed the single shot issue. He listened carefully, asking me questions. I explained how field target works with lanes and number of targets and shots per target, afterwards he summarized the issues and told me he was going to jump right on it!
What an amazing man! What an amazing company!
I’ve met most of the Skout staff, and spent a few days with them, fantastic people all!!
 
The platform is in it's infancy and as any experienced shooter knows, 1st generation products rarely emerge issue free. This was the Skout's crews first foray into the PCP pellet rifle market and as previously stated, they're finding that more complicated than simply scaling down a functional larger caliber design. However, for those willing to grow through the iterations as they emerge, Skout's CS and dedication to producing the finest product on the market, should sustain them through these inevitable growing pains.