and thank you for the bucket of snide genius, may it soon fall on your headI find that Ebay is loaded with experts......
Congrats on your unexpected realization.
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Shady "Expert Opinions" offered on Value of Highly Collectible Items
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then came Ebay, this century... a real force to be reckoned with... my target was the gentlemen who fudge the numbers on purpose and I appreciate your hard work and have spent my $$$ on several of those well done publications, great pictures... and seriously, it must take a lot of research/work to do that... you must consider Ebay though, they are a top player, the top player by far in sales numbers. One does not have to be a billionaire to buy a $2000 toy. I collect cars but do not bad mouth the 95% of them I cannot afford because the free market has driven the prices up above $100,000-$2,000,000 for what I want, or badmouth the auction sites that sell them to billionaires. I just keep my pet rock in my pocket, my mouth shut, and dream..."The guy that wants a super rare item real bad but will not pay it's true value on the open market."
So the guy that paid $2200 for the Khamsin on the open market and the guy that paid $2500 for the Camarque on the open market didn't want them real bad? WOW!Think I'll put my super rare pet rock on Ebay!
"no matter how many Bluebooks on Airguns get written and/or how influential a person is in this genre of collectibles".
I contributed heavily to the last Blue Book Of Airguns; including photos, specifications, dating information, a chapter, and appraised values. In assigning values we did not take into account what billionaire impulse-buyers might pay two years in the future. Rather, realistic values based on decades of first-hand experience. We were not heavily influenced by the adage, "There's a fool born every minute".
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well said... but me thinks me stepped in the poo pile, kicked the proverbial hornets nest so to speak, ehI believe he was stating that “there are a lot of experts“ out there… And that there is a more balanced amount of “experts” here on AGN.
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The stock market makes no sense, never has, never will, but that is the price, today = free market in American
If they drink alcohol and are rich doesn't mean anything. they still have a profound effect on the economy, any consumer, and all consumers do...
You guys are all just talking crap and finding sneakey ways to bad mouth people whom you think are ruinijng the prices on high end items you wish you could buy cheaper. Mentioning alcohol, c'mon brother, I don't drink it but so what. If a drunk rich dude wants to pay me a crapload of money = God Bless America
Another problem about your not so well thought out theory is that I have sold over 300 very nice pieces in the last 3 years and it is not a fluke like you guys are saying. It is a well established fact on my end, no fluke at all. The nicest mint condition collectibles sell for big money, period. Two to three times what an average VG condition piece sells for. I'm talking the top shelf stuff my friend, only. You guys are wrong on the value, the stuff sells for top $$ fast... That last one I sold was a 10 day auction, it sold in two days for that top dollar "buy it now" price. I have 300+ sales like that, it's not a fluke, the good stuff is worth way more than the "experts" want you to think it is because, hey, they want it = My Point was the dif between an expert who wants to buy said item, and an expert who was not interested, just giving his honest expert opinion = it was huge, and crooked, eh, and I hope I shined a light on that but do think I stepped on a hornets nest with this one, time to exit stage left
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The stock market makes no sense, never has, never will, but that is the price, today = free market in American
If they drink alcohol and are rich doesn't mean anything. they still have a profound effect on the economy, any consumer, and all consumers do...
You guys are all just talking crap and finding sneaky ways to bad mouth people whom you think are ruining the prices on high end items you wish you could buy cheaper. Mentioning alcohol, c'mon seriously, are you drunk ? I don't drink it but so what. If a drunk rich dude wants to pay a crapload of money = God Bless America... Sellers selling nice stuff Love Ebay, who are you kidding people. Only buyers that want it cheaper cry about it. They want the good stuff for the price of the average and quote you that wonderful LOWBALL price. Lowball loosers hiding behind their expert status, some of whom feel the need to show you their pedigree, don't you know who I am, why I am bla bla bla, here's my bio, LoL
Another problem in some not so well thought out theory is that I have sold over 300 very nice pieces in the last 3 years and it is not a fluke like many guys are saying. It is a well established fact on my end, no fluke at all. The nicest mint condition collectibles sell for big money, period. Two to three times what an average VG condition piece sells for. I'm talking the top shelf stuff my friends, only. You guys are wrong on the value, the stuff sells time after time, again and again for top $$, fast... That last one I sold (Camargue AL) was a 10 day auction, it sold in two days for that top dollar "buy it now" price. I have 300+ sales like that, it's not a fluke, the good stuff is worth way more than the "experts" want you to think it is because, hey, they want it = My Point was the dif between an expert who wants to buy said item, and an expert who was not interested, just giving his honest expert opinion = the gap was huge, and crooked, eh,
and I hope I shined a light on that... but I do think I stepped on a hornets nest with this one, time to exit stage left
hope you will just ponder an opinion outside of your own and see it is messing up your Air Gun niche as far as sales of the vintage good stuff.
A seller is a fool to sell something nice anywhere else other that Ebay unless it is to a friend or buddy.
That would bring me to my next rant - trying to work a "buddy" deal from someone you don't even know, then getting pissy about it
Just give it to a nice young relative is the best choice
Thanx all, now I know why I get PM from fellows that agree but are "To Afraid to say it"
That aint right ya'll
If they drink alcohol and are rich doesn't mean anything. they still have a profound effect on the economy, any consumer, and all consumers do...
You guys are all just talking crap and finding sneaky ways to bad mouth people whom you think are ruining the prices on high end items you wish you could buy cheaper. Mentioning alcohol, c'mon seriously, are you drunk ? I don't drink it but so what. If a drunk rich dude wants to pay a crapload of money = God Bless America... Sellers selling nice stuff Love Ebay, who are you kidding people. Only buyers that want it cheaper cry about it. They want the good stuff for the price of the average and quote you that wonderful LOWBALL price. Lowball loosers hiding behind their expert status, some of whom feel the need to show you their pedigree, don't you know who I am, why I am bla bla bla, here's my bio, LoL
Another problem in some not so well thought out theory is that I have sold over 300 very nice pieces in the last 3 years and it is not a fluke like many guys are saying. It is a well established fact on my end, no fluke at all. The nicest mint condition collectibles sell for big money, period. Two to three times what an average VG condition piece sells for. I'm talking the top shelf stuff my friends, only. You guys are wrong on the value, the stuff sells time after time, again and again for top $$, fast... That last one I sold (Camargue AL) was a 10 day auction, it sold in two days for that top dollar "buy it now" price. I have 300+ sales like that, it's not a fluke, the good stuff is worth way more than the "experts" want you to think it is because, hey, they want it = My Point was the dif between an expert who wants to buy said item, and an expert who was not interested, just giving his honest expert opinion = the gap was huge, and crooked, eh,
and I hope I shined a light on that... but I do think I stepped on a hornets nest with this one, time to exit stage left
hope you will just ponder an opinion outside of your own and see it is messing up your Air Gun niche as far as sales of the vintage good stuff.
A seller is a fool to sell something nice anywhere else other that Ebay unless it is to a friend or buddy.
That would bring me to my next rant - trying to work a "buddy" deal from someone you don't even know, then getting pissy about it
Just give it to a nice young relative is the best choice
Thanx all, now I know why I get PM from fellows that agree but are "To Afraid to say it"
That aint right ya'll
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I have sold on the forums some very nice airguns and was happy with the price. However. EEEbay is a whole different ballgame. The potential market available to sellers is HUGE. The 2 items that started this thread are totally rare in this condition and all it takes is 2 or more people who dig in their heels and presto!! BTW these 2 Air Arms models are somewhat rare in North America but are much more available in the UK, but I would venture to say not they would not be in the same pristene condition. The lads in the UK must be losing their minds and must think we have been drinking the Koolaid !LOL
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Ok, so you've got a few collectable pieces and you asked about how to maintain them on various forums. Naturally airgun guys being airgun guys they throw some offers out hoping you may be interested in selling. Some good, some bad. The thing is, since those rifles don't come up often, it's hard to gauge what a fair/good price may be. Now you are all offended because of these offers. Did you state that you are only looking for information and that they are not for sale? Then you make a rambling, incoherent post about being offend and then brag about how much they went for on E-bay.
hmmmmmm
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EBay is for suckers! Their fees are way to high; you have have to use their payment system (more fees) and they issue a 1099k so you must claim all sales as income on your taxes.
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Well dang!!
I NEVER inferred or stated you were drinking, drank or was drunk nor that anyone being such was the cause of high prices for collectibles. I mentioned it because it does happen and will create anomalies in pricing. It will not move the needle much when it comes to calculating values because they are anomalies.
Yes the stock market does makes sense. The fact you don’t understand it does not make it a mystery to everybody else.
I find it interesting that out of the 32 posts so far in this thread you have written 40% of them. You have not stepped on a hornet‘s nest, you created one.
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Anybody looking to sell a (item easy enough to ship) cream of the crop collectible, is a fool not to use eBay as the vehicle.
While I haven’t sold there in several years as I do not like their new system, It was very lucrative for me in the past.
When you have the best of the best, rarest of the rare, etc. eBay IS your marketplace for top dollar.
While I haven’t sold there in several years as I do not like their new system, It was very lucrative for me in the past.
When you have the best of the best, rarest of the rare, etc. eBay IS your marketplace for top dollar.
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Most folks got the point. The butthurt ones like yourself did too. Who are you kiddin buddy, LoL
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