Tuning RedWolf hp / Heliboard

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Thanks Centercut

Have you found any pellet other then the JSB monster redesign that works good for you on medium or low power. I also am having accuracy issues with the JSB 18.1s. I do think the JSB 15.89 work better on low power. I do a lot of practicing in my backyard. I have 40 yards. I just don't like using the monters at 50 ft/lbs in the backyard. Too much power for the neighborhood. 

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Scott
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My Midnight Wolf has the Helliboard does not like the 18.1 jsb but loves the 15.9 I have noticed a few guns the same. On P2 they shoot at 960fps lights out and 820 on P1.

Try some 23 grain H&N slugs on P6 at 960 fps there pretty good looking forward to trying the Knockouts in a couple of weeks.
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Hi aussiegav

Thanks for the info on your Midnight Wolf. Your JSB 15.89 are shooting the same as mine at 960 FTP. I get great results. 

Do you by chance have a long shot string with the 15.89's. Maybe do you have a spread for your shot string? With my daystate board the spread is at best 25 FPS. Sometimes it's higher, around 30 - 35. Not consistent. My Stdev is over 6. Sometimes higher. 

I'd like to know how much improvement you saw when you installed the Helliboard. I just purchased the Helliboard. I'm currently waiting for.

Thanks for the info.


 
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I just shot 5 shot strings (or less) with each pellet as I tested each power level to get an idea of speed. Then I tested them more on the speeds that made sense. And then tested some more. I took notes to help me remember which it liked
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Hi Smok3y

Thanks for the info. I was just looking to see if you had a long shot string. With the original board from Daystate, I have the JSB 25.49s at 955 FPS. The spread is about 20 - 25. I get pretty good accuracy. I tried JSB 18.1 on medium power but it's really picky and I see flyers about .5 inch off my group at 40 yards. On low power the JSB 15.89 are pretty good. .375 to under .5 at 40 yards. BTW 40 yards is what I have in my backyard. 

My issue with the original board is the Stdev is around 6 - 7. Too high for me. I have a programmer and tried many times to reduce the Stdev but can't seem to get it lower, especially on low power with the JSB 15.89.

I ordered a Helliboard and am waiting for it to be shipped. 

Thanks for your help.

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Understandable. I don’t have perfectly comparable data, because my testing notes before the Helliboard was not as detailed. The thing I found that helped the spread and SD most was my starting pressure. Mine says I can fill to 250, but if I start any higher than 230, the spread goes to 20 or more. Keeping the starting pressure at 230 or less, my spread is lower.

Factory High with 25RD. Shot great and pretty dang near what I am shooting now with the Helliboard accuracy wise at 50yds. One of my paper games, my high score is tied with Factory medium and HB power 11, and the speeds are very different. The shot count on a string I kept from factory level.

  1. Shot Count 40, AVG 919, spread 25, SD 6.7
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    Helliboard Power 11 with 25RD. 
    1. Shot count 20, AVG 979, Spread 10, SD 2.7
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      I know that I started that Helliboard test on 228 Bar, but I couldn’t tell you what the factory test started at. The first 4 shots on that factory string were a bit high and low, so it could have been a high fill or even first shots after a fill.

      Another thing I will say is that the spread didn’t always tell the story. Power level 8 was single digit spread at 812 FPS, but didn’t shoot great. Power 11 had the fewest “fliers”.

      I had similar results with 18gr, and the starting pressure again made a big difference. I don’t have a factory string but I do have several Helliboard strings filling from 240 and 230. On the same power level 8, I have 2 strings with spreads over 20 when I started from a 240 and 244 fill. Same power and pellets, starting at 231 and 229, the spreads were 7 and 11. On a side note, power level 7 have low spreads 7-12, but always worse groups, maybe the worst of all them, and the speed was 870ish. 

      Try different starting fill pressures to help with spread and don’t get too hung up on spread if it shoots better when the spread isn’t as perfect. 

 
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I just shot 5 shot strings (or less) with each pellet as I tested each power level to get an idea of speed. Then I tested them more on the speeds that made sense. And then tested some more. I took notes to help me remember which it liked
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Hi Smok3y

Thanks for the info. I was just looking to see if you had a long shot string. With the original board from Daystate, I have the JSB 25.49s at 955 FPS. The spread is about 20 - 25. I get pretty good accuracy. I tried JSB 18.1 on medium power but it's really picky and I see flyers about .5 inch off my group at 40 yards. On low power the JSB 15.89 are pretty good. .375 to under .5 at 40 yards. BTW 40 yards is what I have in my backyard. 

My issue with the original board is the Stdev is around 6 - 7. Too high for me. I have a programmer and tried many times to reduce the Stdev but can't seem to get it lower, especially on low power with the JSB 15.89.

I ordered a Helliboard and am waiting for it to be shipped. 

Thanks for your help.

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Understandable. I don’t have perfectly comparable data, because my testing notes before the Helliboard was not as detailed. The thing I found that helped the spread and SD most was my starting pressure. Mine says I can fill to 250, but if I start any higher than 230, the spread goes to 20 or more. Keeping the starting pressure at 230 or less, my spread is lower.

Factory High with 25RD. Shot great and pretty dang near what I am shooting now with the Helliboard accuracy wise at 50yds. One of my paper games, my high score is tied with Factory medium and HB power 11, and the speeds are very different. The shot count on a string I kept from factory level.

  1. Shot Count 40, AVG 919, spread 25, SD 6.7
    [/LIST=1]

    Helliboard Power 11 with 25RD. 
    1. Shot count 20, AVG 979, Spread 10, SD 2.7
      [/LIST=1]

      I know that I started that Helliboard test on 228 Bar, but I couldn’t tell you what the factory test started at. The first 4 shots on that factory string were a bit high and low, so it could have been a high fill or even first shots after a fill.

      Another thing I will say is that the spread didn’t always tell the story. Power level 8 was single digit spread at 812 FPS, but didn’t shoot great. Power 11 had the fewest “fliers”.

      I had similar results with 18gr, and the starting pressure again made a big difference. I don’t have a factory string but I do have several Helliboard strings filling from 240 and 230. On the same power level 8, I have 2 strings with spreads over 20 when I started from a 240 and 244 fill. Same power and pellets, starting at 231 and 229, the spreads were 7 and 11. On a side note, power level 7 have low spreads 7-12, but always worse groups, maybe the worst of all them, and the speed was 870ish. 

      Try different starting fill pressures to help with spread and don’t get too hung up on spread if it shoots better when the spread isn’t as perfect. 


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    1. Thanks Smok3y

      I appreciate the info and the time you spent. I agree with you starting with a bar of 230 or 220 on low power does help the spread and the Stdev. I'm just hoping the Helliboard will get my numbers down and help with better and more consistent accuracy. From all that I've read, it should.

      Again thanks for all your help.
 
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I know this is an OLD thread however, I just got a Heliboard and an 11.1v Red Wolf HP so I'm going to the range to record a shot string from 250bar down to 150bar and will attempt to tune the RW to shoot the flattest curve possible at around 950 fps. The #'s I see you guy posting would be atrocious with either my M3 .25 or my prototype Skout .25 caliber. I'm use to seeing SD's in the 2-3 range so I find it difficult to imagine that a gun as finely tunable as the Redwolf isn't capable of the same, but we'll see. I only bought this gun to fool around with as so many EBR winners have done so with .22 caliber guns and RW's in particular. While I agree that getting hung up on the #'s is not nearly as important as actual real world results, I've never seen a gun that could be counted on to consistently group at 100 yds that didn't have excellent #'s (low SD and ES).
 
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Here you'll see the results of my first attempt to tune my .22 Red Wolf HP with the newest Heliboard I just installed. I think this demonstrates that an SD of 2 is a reasonable goal.

Red Wolf P6 post tune-2.jpg


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Redwolfpaul25 said:
Will be interested in your attempt of a shot string from 250 bar down to 150 bar joe.
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IME every gun I've ever owned has had a "pressure window", the range where the shot string is the most consistent. I've never before attempted to tune a RW but I did shoot several full range strings (250-150bar) on four of the 12 programs that come on the Heliboard. Just like the stock board, the Heliboard demonstrated its greatest consistency from 240 to 170 bar. Shooting at 950 fps, that window provides me with 60 shots which is more than enough to complete a full BR card.

Today I plan to tune a program to 970 fps. I will save the final string results and post them.
 
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Redwolfpaul25 said:
Will be interested in your attempt of a shot string from 250 bar down to 150 bar joe.
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Hi Paul. I changed my mind about which speed to use, opting for 950 as a target. This tunes window starts at around 240 bar and ends about 60 shots later ( although only 50 are shown here) at 185 bar. Because I specialize in bench competition shooting my goal may be a bit different from those of the typical shooter
I want as little variation from shot to shot as possible within a limited pressure window large enough to allow for all 23 competitive shots as well as an equal number of sighters. Tuning beyond that although possible servers no practical purpose in my application therefore I simply don't bother. Here are the results of my latest 950 fps tune.

Notes: Red Wolf .22 cal
Pellet: JSB RD
Weight: 25.39 gr

Shot count: 50
Low: 944
Hi: 958
Avg: 951
STD Dev: 2.9
Spread: 14.0

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JoePolanco said:
Hi Paul. I changed my mind about which speed to use, opting for 950 as a target. This tunes window starts at around 240 bar and ends about 60 shots later ( although only 50 are shown here) at 185 bar. Because I specialize in bench competition shooting my goal may be a bit different from those of the typical shooter
I want as little variation from shot to shot as possible within a limited pressure window large enough to allow for all 23 competitive shots as well as an equal number of sighters. Tuning beyond that although possible servers no practical purpose in my application therefore I simply don't bother. Here are the results of my latest 950 fps tune.

Notes: Red Wolf .22 cal
Pellet: JSB RD
Weight: 25.39 gr

Shot count: 50
Low: 944
Hi: 958
Avg: 951
STD Dev: 2.9
Spread: 14.0

3/27/23 12:37:51 PM,953
3/27/23 12:38:37 PM,953
3/27/23 12:39:14 PM,949
3/27/23 12:41:20 PM,949
3/27/23 12:42:03 PM,951
3/27/23 12:42:45 PM,951
3/27/23 12:43:37 PM,956
3/27/23 12:44:25 PM,946
3/27/23 12:45:16 PM,951
3/27/23 12:45:52 PM,951
3/27/23 12:46:27 PM,951
3/27/23 12:47:46 PM,946
3/27/23 12:48:26 PM,946
3/27/23 12:49:58 PM,949
3/27/23 12:51:53 PM,946
3/27/23 12:54:08 PM,946
3/27/23 12:54:55 PM,951
3/27/23 12:55:39 PM,946
3/27/23 12:57:50 PM,953
3/27/23 12:58:28 PM,949
3/27/23 12:59:10 PM,951
3/27/23 12:59:51 PM,944
3/27/23 1:14:23 PM,949
3/27/23 1:14:59 PM,953
3/27/23 1:16:20 PM,953
3/27/23 1:17:18 PM,949
3/27/23 1:17:57 PM,953
3/27/23 1:19:50 PM,951
3/27/23 1:20:34 PM,949
3/27/23 1:21:22 PM,953
3/27/23 1:25:07 PM,949
3/27/23 1:25:53 PM,951
3/27/23 1:26:41 PM,949
3/27/23 1:29:21 PM,949
3/27/23 1:30:06 PM,949
3/27/23 1:30:54 PM,956
3/27/23 1:31:41 PM,949
3/27/23 1:32:33 PM,951
3/27/23 1:33:49 PM,956
3/27/23 1:35:10 PM,951
3/27/23 1:36:01 PM,951
3/27/23 1:36:58 PM,951
3/27/23 1:37:45 PM,953
3/27/23 1:38:40 PM,949
3/27/23 1:39:43 PM,953
3/27/23 1:40:49 PM,953
3/27/23 1:41:37 PM,958
3/27/23 1:43:55 PM,951
3/27/23 1:44:42 PM,946
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Joe, do you have a new board and if so, did you use the Auto Tune feature? We tuned a friend's .25 RW HP with 34 Heavy and got a good spread from 250 down to about 170 bar at 935 fps. I wasn't comfortable with the Auto Tune though since the instructions are vague...
 
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SDstephan said:
I just ordered a Heliboard for my RW - shooting 177 for field target.
please tell me about this Auto Tune - very vague instructions from Jack - or just way over my head.....
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Let me figure it out on my on gun and I'll write post about it. Probably be a while...
 
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Centercut said:
Joe, do you have a new board and if so, did you use the Auto Tune feature? We tuned a friend's .25 RW HP with 34 Heavy and got a good spread from 250 down to about 170 bar at 935 fps. I wasn't comfortable with the Auto Tune though since the instructions are vague...
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I do have a new board, just recieved from Jack last month, however, there is no auto-tune function that I'm aware of.
 
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JoePolanco said:
Not a locatable feature on my board.
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Here you go. Hope this helps.

From Jack G

Calibration menu has changed recently , the manual has not been updated yet.
If you need any other info let me know.

New Calibration menu.
With this menu you can:

1)Apply a single pulse to ALL pressure points. With this feature you can quickly test a pulse to any pressure.
2)Create a map for a specific power level entering pulses for all capable pressure points.
3)Create a map for a specific power level
entering pulses for 2+ pressure points and using the auto CALCulation function. In order
to proceed with this you need to first set ALL points to zero.

Menu cycling and functionality.
ALL-CALC-pressure points 70bar-260bar in 10bar step.
In order to select the desired function long press trigger and release immediately when asterisk is shown on screen.
When you select a pressure point , press and quick release to modify the digits and long press to save.

ALL:Apply a constant pulse to the whole pressure range.
CALC :After applying ALL to zero (0000) and
choosing and modifying 2+ pressure points, you can use this feature to generate all other data sets automatically.

https://odysee.com/@jameslaskaris:5/Level-Calibration:a
 
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