Red wolf HP 22 or 25

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bubblerboy64

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I'm considering a Red Wolf for long range shooting at pest birds pigeons and starlings. I know it a long gun but for my use that's fine. My shooting will be mostly between 50 and 75 yards. I guess my question is there and advantage to the 25 . Or a disadvantage? Looking for maximum accuracy and if they are equal I assume the 25 would hit harder.

Opinions I'm only interested in the Red Wolf gun.
 
Though I do not own a Red Wolf I must say that the 25 has a much greater advantage over a 22 for hunting purposes because of the increased size of the cross sectional density which will in turn punch a much bigger hole in your game which in turn increases your kill factor even if the shot is less than perfect as compared to the 22.

When comparing my 25 Veteran shorty to my 22 Mutant, I do notice that the kills are much more effective at long distances with the 25 and seems to buck the wind better as well. The 25 also prints consistently tighter groups at 100 yards compared to the 22.

If ballistics of both caliber pellets were identical I would still go for the 25 for the bigger hole in your game.

Other reason is that the 25 caliber pellets seem to be less prone to damage compared to the 22s.

You could also save yourself half the price and get yourself a 25 Veteran shorty which would probably make you a happy hunter as well

which is moa capable at 100 yards and chances are very good that it even will do it with Polymags too which is the most lethal combination.

The Red Wolf is just too pretty to take outside to go hunting with and you'd probably feel really sick if it got nicked or scratched.

Actually if I were you I would buy both in 25 caliber and would keep the RW at mostly home or buy a secondary plain secondary wood stock to put the action in while you are hunting with it outside in the field.

I say this because I have 2 of the same FX guns in the same caliber, one with synthetic stock and one with laminate stock and guess which one I keep at home indoors all the time?

CA
 
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I've got one spot where I'm shooting at 67 yards and I've hit a fair number of pigeons and had them fly off. ( I can clearly hear the pellet strike) this has happened both with my 22 Red Wolf 22 standard AND my cricket in 25. At this point I haven't been able to tell if there is an advantage to the 25 . I am just a little disappointed with the cricket. I wanted to try the bull pup designed gun and I'm not wild for it. A little buyers remorse perhaps. I love the way the Red Wolf "works" and you know by be time I got the cricket in my hands I've got $2000 invested. Thinking I should have bought another Red Wolf. I am shooting off a table and bags . My only interest in hunting is long range stuff. Prairie dogs at 200 plus yards Ground hogs at 3 or 400 and pigeons off silo's at 50 or more. I'm not wealthy but I can afford to indulge myself. Very understanding wife. I'm not going to buy right away I'll give the cricket a fair chance. My Red. Wolf and IS too nice to bang around and I was thinking about the laminated stocked rifle which should hold up if care is given. 

So back to the subject at hand if you were set on another Red Wolf for my use would you go 22 or 25 looking for the best combination of accuracy and penetration. Accuracy first condition . I guess it might be as simple as having a 22 why not go 25? Unless there is a accuracy issue with the 25? 

Looking for some one who has both guns OR who has shot both calibers at these longer distances . AND I do understand that the difference may just not be significant It's might be the difference between a 222 and a 223. In the powder burners

Purely accademic discussion perhaps ???
 
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I have the RW 22 HP and that is plenty of power at 50 and 100 yards. I use the JSB 25 redesigns for my target practice at that range in high power and I can tell you that it hits the steel targets hard. As to killing I don't know, as I haven't. When it hits a steel target at 100 it bounces, not just tips over. That's the best I can do for you. I'm not that great a shot, but the rifle knocked down 17 of 20 targets, weekend before last at 100 with a cross wind. I won't let it be known, I didn't do that good at 50. :)
 
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I suspect it was an easy choice before the .22 Redesigned Monsters hit the scene, it would appear that with a .22 pellet that has the standard weight of a .25 but must have a higher BC due to it's length VS weight plus a better sectional density, combined with the new RW HP must tip the scales in favour of the .22 surely! especially if you can shoot the 18.13 with the RW HP on low power setting, you have 2 guns in one!
 
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I suspect it was an easy choice before the .22 Redesigned Monsters hit the scene, it would appear that with a .22 pellet that has the standard weight of a .25 but must have a higher BC due to it's length VS weight plus a better sectional density, combined with the new RW HP must tip the scales in favour of the .22 surely! especially if you can shoot the 18.13 with the RW HP on low power setting, you have 2 guns in one!
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Seems to be a consensus for the 22. Thanks guys.
 
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Between the RW HP .22cal and my FX Compact in 25cal, the RW is much more versatile. As for too pretty to hunt with I guess I haven't come across that yet, gun works great in the woods for me. Can shoot 200 shots on low power with 18.1s at 870fps whenever I want and then use Redesigned 25gr at 980fps on high. Easily two guns in one if not more with other pellets. If I specifically tuned my FX 25cal with 34gr Mark IIs I could probably get more FPE but then the gun would be setup for that round only. I would highly recommend the RW HP in .22cal. 
 
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I suspect it was an easy choice before the .22 Redesigned Monsters hit the scene, it would appear that with a .22 pellet that has the standard weight of a .25 but must have a higher BC due to it's length VS weight, plus a better sectional density, combined with the new RW HP must tip the scales in favour of the .22 surely! Especially if you can shoot the 18.13 with the RW HP on low power setting, you have 2 guns in one!
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My thinking, as well.

My RW .22HP typically launches 18.13 gr on LOW power for an average shot count (from 250 bar down to 138 bar) of 185 shots. That's my daily target set-up and what I shoot the most, by far.

Alternatively, having, on High power, 25.39 gr. JSB Monster pellets launching at up to 950 fps is like having another gun entirely. Sweet! The RW .22HP is definitely not your ordinary .22.
 
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Ok. Now to add to the discussion. How much of an advantage is the high power over the standard model? Comparing two rifles both in 22 caliber
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For me,,, the advantage is as I described in my post before yours. You get a wide range of power options, with the HP offering better long range/killing ability than the standard model. The standard power version is about 32 fps (if I recall correctly), and the HP version is about 50 fpe (tunable higher or lower).

To be more specific:



RW .22HP on LOW power setting:

18.13 gr JSB @ average 853 fps = 29.3 fpe ES = 4

Average # of shots, per bar of air used: 1.65

Average bar of air used, per shot: .61

Average shot count from 250 bar down to 138 bar: 185 





RW .22HP on HIGH power setting:

25.39 RD @ average 920 fps = 47.73 fpe ES = 8

Average # of shots, per bar of air used: .89

Average bar of air used ,per shot: 1.13

Average shot count from 250 bar down to 150 bar: 89


 
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Yes and they have repeated it haven't they! the new .177 Wolverine HP can give 100 shots with the 16g .177 JSB Beast and 30FT! that effectively outs the need for a 30FT .22 because the .177 very heavy for weight pellet should have a higher BC than a standard weight .22!

I find it very frustrating having now bought the .22 RW STD power 35FT which gives circa 80 shots on high power with the 18.13g JSB at 900FPS, that I could actually get nearly 200 shots with the .22RW HP by shooting it on LOW POWER! looks like I will need yet another RW!
 
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