Red Wolf ART Barrel
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I believe you have to order it specifically that way? It’s optional not standard $300 extra I think?
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AoA lists it as $400 option and only on the Safari (but that doesn't mean it's not available on other version), which is already $400 more the others. While not a definitive answer, I have I feeling you'd know if you paid up for one.
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OK, I didn't know it was an extra cost option. I thought that was what they were going to on all Red Wolfs at some point in time.
Mine does not have one.
I guess my next question would be, do I want one?
Mine does not have one.
I guess my next question would be, do I want one?
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The term DART/ART (Daystate's Accuracy Research Team) barrels are a bit confusing. The ART team did a lot of work to develop the .25 barrel. From what I understand it can be a combination of many factors: twist rate/type, choke, lead-in, design (similar to polygonal). I've heard some refer to the original HP .22 (poly) barrel as ART, because they may or may not have tweaked some of the factors above. From what I understand the DART/ART team is also refining the .30 barrels.
Long story short... if you're getting a RW HP .22 it will come with the HP Poly barrel.
Long story short... if you're getting a RW HP .22 it will come with the HP Poly barrel.
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Daystate is trying hard to improve there barrels and the ART team is a good idea. The fact that if you pay extra you can be assured of getting an accurate barrel to me is an admission that the consistency in the manufacturing of these barrels is not there.
Why when you are buying one of the very best Airguns in the world and paying accordingly should you have to pay more to be assured you get an accurate barrel?
Why when you are buying one of the very best Airguns in the world and paying accordingly should you have to pay more to be assured you get an accurate barrel?
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Not to try and defend Daystate but unless you are using the FX method of manufacturing barrels in house, consistent consistency is never going to be there. Even the very best powder burning barrel makers cannot make two barrels exactly the same. FX seems to have a lock on this process.
I also do not agree with paying extra dollars to add a mod to my Red Wolf so I can have an airgun that will shoot like everyone expects the Red Wolf to shoot when it comes out of the box. And mine would only do about 3/8" at 18 yards when I took it out of the box. I had to replace the barrel (under warranty) before it would start shooting close to what you would expect.
I just wish some gunsmith somewhere would look at taking the Red Wolf and modifying it to take the FX STX Lite barrel system like the Continuum and magazines. At least then you would be able to switch from pellets to slugs relatively easily. I would pay to have mine converted today. I don't want to have to buy two guns just to be able to shoot slugs or pellets.
Now after saying all that I should just sell my Red Wolf and buy an Impact. LOL
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thanks, Since I bought it a while back and it is .22, I guess I do not have the ART barrel. Sad.
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I'm amazed they are doing this development at all. The way they are doing it has to be incredibly expensive. Tell the barrel maker to make a barrel like so which takes a fair amount of time, test it, tell them to change it like so, get another barrel, test it, ad infinitum. Very time consuming and expensive when you consider the total number of different slugs and pellets out there at this time.
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What a lot of high end Airgun manufacturers will do is sort barrels and only use accurate barrels on there guns like RAW. Funny enough I have a RedWolf (smoothX barrel) and I love it but Daystate as a company frustrate me for a lot of reasons but I won’t go there. 
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They simply have reject barrels that don’t make the grade. I don’t know what percentage are good/bad but if a RAW isn’t up to scratch when Martin tests it then it won’t be sent out.
Go to 6min & 12:30
https://youtu.be/6ThVmbsMEB4
Go to 6min & 12:30
https://youtu.be/6ThVmbsMEB4
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Respectfully Harry, FX do not have a "magical" process to ensure all their liners are identical, I have a couple of dozen of their liners, some shoot bettter than others and slug more smoothly than others, I have also had FX liners with a nick in the breech area, some that even have a slightly different twist rate in what should be the same guise, a human hand still makes them and checks them just like LW.
The only real difference between the FX process of course is that FX manufactures in house, whilst Daystate relies on maybe the worlds most prolific manufacturer of barrels (airgun at least) LW.
As I said in my PM to you, yes we have fitted FX liners to the RW HP & SAFARI, mainly to see how slugs would shoot in the RW platform with a slug liner, now that Laity has found an exceptional source of slugs that shoot really well out of the Daystate LW barrel the conversion is of little use.
Personally although maybe not as versatile as the Impact I find the RW a nicer gun to shoot from the bench and use it more than either of my Impacts or Crowns, the latest batch of .30 Redwolf barrels are spectacularly good and I think I shall be ordering a .30 RW soon.
IMO though every airgun shooter should have both a Redwolf and an Impact, there lies a fantastic pair of airguns to own!
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The A.R.T barrel in the Safari is not an extra $400 option. Read below from the AoA web site. This is what the optional $400 gets you.
The Red Wolf Safari can be further tuned with an optional Daystate programmer within the rifles limits. This feature is not for the novice as it allows each power level program to be manipulated to achieve the best speed and accuracy for a given pellet out of each individual rifle. A specialized Accuracy Research Team or A.R.T. tune is available as an optional upgrade this highly advanced custom work is performed by a specialist A.R.T member with many hours spent in shooting each rifle with software customizing and barrel conditioning. The A.R.T. tune is NOT required for match winning performance it is only for those desiring to squeeze every ounce of accuracy out of each individual rifle. Daystate has included the default program if the user wants to return to the factory settings.
The Red Wolf Safari can be further tuned with an optional Daystate programmer within the rifles limits. This feature is not for the novice as it allows each power level program to be manipulated to achieve the best speed and accuracy for a given pellet out of each individual rifle. A specialized Accuracy Research Team or A.R.T. tune is available as an optional upgrade this highly advanced custom work is performed by a specialist A.R.T member with many hours spent in shooting each rifle with software customizing and barrel conditioning. The A.R.T. tune is NOT required for match winning performance it is only for those desiring to squeeze every ounce of accuracy out of each individual rifle. Daystate has included the default program if the user wants to return to the factory settings.
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Thanks CC that clears that one up and makes total sense! tuning the gun with a programmer is indeed a time consuming process.
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Yep, exactly correct as usual CC! and I love my RW .22hp just as it was expertly tuned from the factory (each individual rifle I might add!) that’s why I bought in the first place! And I believe it to be the best out of the box (from a large manufacturer anyway!) rifle just as it came to me,”a year ago” I shoot it almost everyday! It’s my go to rifle for pure fun and enjoyment! With accuracy to boot... I didn’t buy it to spend extra time and $$$ to tune it myself or a dealer tune after the factory expertly tuned it, I guess I’m just an anomaly?
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