Red Wolf ART Barrel

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This has all been covered before, but the ART barrels were only in .25 until recently , when LW started making .30 barrels with the ART profile. No .22 barrels have been made with the ART profile that I'm aware of. In the process of doing the testing , we've found some key things that make ALL the barrels shoot better and LW has been tasked with incorporating some of those into all the barrels for Daystate. The poly's were/are intended to shoot higher velocities so the research has been focused in that direction. A key aspect was finding the profiles that not only were accurate, but gave the best bc with the preferred pellets. 

Michael got captured the essence of the ART project pretty well and yes.... it was expensive. The .22 MAY get the ART profile in the future but shoots so well already, it was not a priority .

To those concerned about whether you have an ART barrel or not.... I wouldn't stress much. My main rifle is a 22 HP and it shoots right with the 25 and 30 ART rifles I've tested. I love that rifle. AOA has fairly well perfected the barrel tune up and I've yet to see one they've done not shoot well. In spite of what has been disseminated by some FX fanboys, the barrels themselves are extremely consistent ... just need some personal attention to be all they can be. Neither LW, nor DS can really do that in the current production process.

Anyway, the only label you should really be concerned with on your barrel is ACCURATE.

Bob 
 
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This has all been covered before, but the ART barrels were only in .25 until recently , when LW started making .30 barrels with the ART profile. No .22 barrels have been made with the ART profile that I'm aware of. In the process of doing the testing , we've found some key things that make ALL the barrels shoot better and LW has been tasked with incorporating some of those into all the barrels for Daystate. The poly's were/are intended to shoot higher velocities so the research has been focused in that direction. A key aspect was finding the profiles that not only were accurate, but gave the best bc with the preferred pellets. 

Michael got captured the essence of the ART project pretty well and yes.... it was expensive. The .22 MAY get the ART profile in the future but shoots so well already, it was not a priority .

To those concerned about whether you have an ART barrel or not.... I wouldn't stress much. My main rifle is a 22 HP and it shoots right with the 25 and 30 ART rifles I've tested. I love that rifle. AOA has fairly well perfected the barrel tune up and I've yet to see one they've done not shoot well. In spite of what has been disseminated by some FX fanboys, the barrels themselves are extremely consistent ... just need some personal attention to be all they can be. Neither LW, nor DS can really do that in the current production process.

Anyway, the only label you should really be concerned with on your barrel is ACCURATE.

Bob
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I presume you are talking about the USA market ?? 





Rog


 
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Yes, that is the market where the ART project began.... as it is all about longer range shooting. The market for that is MUCH smaller in GB. You and I have had this discussion about the 22s being ART before from claims by Tony. There seems to be a barrel selection process that he was labeling as ART but they are not and he later issued a statement clarifying that. The ART barrels have a rifling profile and twist that separates them from standard LW poly's. As far as I know, these have not been applied to the 22s.

Bob
 
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Daystate could easily incorporate 12 power levels instead of 3 into there electronic guns. They purposely don’t want to make the gun that adjustable. . These power levels could be set just as the 3 are now so they can’t be adjusted. (without a $400 programmer). No expert programming required. 

These could be set between 30 to 65ft/lb and allow the user to find a power level suitable for most projectiles either slugs or pellets. You could tune it just by changing the power level. 
Why do they purposely hold back features like that? Because they’d sell less guns! The internals of all the RedWolf’s are identical. They now all have the gcu2. 
So what’s the real difference between a HP .22 and a Safari? Push a few different buttons of the programmer and there you have a brand new model at a premium price!

Also of course you can’t get a Safari with any stock you want. It must be the Safari stock even though it’s all the same gun. So backwards thinking




 
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Yes, that is the market where the ART project began.... as it is all about longer range shooting. The market for that is MUCH smaller in GB. You and I have had this discussion about the 22s being ART before from claims by Tony. There seems to be a barrel selection process that he was labeling as ART but they are not and he later issued a statement clarifying that. The ART barrels have a rifling profile and twist that separates them from standard LW poly's. As far as I know, these have not been applied to the 22s.

Bob
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Hi Bob, lets not get all tied up about this, it doesnt really matter in the scheme of things who said what or did what first, testing has obviously taken place independently in different Countries.

We have tested barrels with different profiles here in the UK, whether they are called ART or not doesn't really matter, what matters is that all the factory guns are currently and (have always been), fitted with the best performing barrel option for that particular caliber.

No Daystate customer is losing out here by not having a specific barrel whatever it is called, all the barrels we have tested have performed extremely well at 100 yards and further, barrels are now tested at a range local to the Daystate factory.


 
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Daystate could easily incorporate 12 power levels instead of 3 into there electronic guns. They purposely don’t want to make the gun that adjustable. . These power levels could be set just as the 3 are now so they can’t be adjusted. (without a $400 programmer). No expert programming required. 

These could be set between 30 to 65ft/lb and allow the user to find a power level suitable for most projectiles either slugs or pellets. You could tune it just by changing the power level. 
Why do they purposely hold back features like that? Because they’d sell less guns! The internals of all the RedWolf’s are identical. They now all have the gcu2. 
So what’s the real difference between a HP .22 and a Safari? Push a few different buttons of the programmer and there you have a brand new model at a premium price!

Also of course you can’t get a Safari with any stock you want. It must be the Safari stock even though it’s all the same gun. So backwards thinking



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Hi AirSupply, it's always difficult to please all of your customers all of the time, I am sure the majority of Redwolf owners are perfectly happy with the way the gun is set up at the factory.

Of course there will always be those who want an edge or like to tinker, having said that the 50FPE .22 RW HP & the 65FPE SAFARI are actually not the same internally, some modifications have to be made to the parts, to allow them to withstand the higher power level, hence if someone re-programmes the GCU2.0 board on a factory 50FPE RW to a much higher level without these parts, they are effectively overdriving the gun past it's design capability and may damage it.

Also as far as I am aware you can have the 65FPE gun with any stock option you like, as long as you specify it at order, what you can't do is have any option other than the higher power (SAFARI) gun with the dark textured wood stock, although I suspect this may change in the future if supply or demand is met.
 
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Well said Spray1Mark. My only concern is about the marketing of something that it is not. The 22 barrels are accurate and MAY get better in the ART config, but so far are good enough that it doesn't matter. I'm also fully aware AND appreciative that you guys are testing much the same as we have been here. Thanks also for the quality explanations of the RW platform.

Bob
 
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Am I right that standard LW barrels in .22 are accurate enough and their standard .25 barrels pose some accuracy problems?
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I don't think you could call any barrel on a $2000+ airgun "standard" Storm! and I don't think there have been any so called "accuraccy" problems with LW .25 barrels.

The ART project was started I think to improve accuraccy at longer than normal ranges, that airgun shooters are starting to push their guns out to nowadays.
 
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Guess I think a bit different. I would have a Safari instead of another brand in the last month if, they offered a synthetic stock a 12 power setting board and a pic rail. I'm not a sponsored shooter, but I know what I want and have the cash. Somebody want to listen.
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I don't disagree buddy! the problem is they cant keep up with the demand now, so other variants are unlikely I think!
 
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Guess I think a bit different. I would have a Safari instead of another brand in the last month if, they offered a synthetic stock a 12 power setting board and a pic rail. I'm not a sponsored shooter, but I know what I want and have the cash. Somebody want to listen.
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Hey! I'm on your team! Also not sponsored. I would also be happy if they offered the ability to change calibers too. With the 12 power levels, changing calibers would then be possible.




 
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