Reasonable Expectations for a 16fpe .20 HW95 @ 50yds?

[Sqwirl57]

Basically what the title says. What would you consider a reasonable group size at that range to be? I'm not talking about those rare groups that just make your heart skip a beat as you land that final perfect shot, I'm asking about your run of the mill, no thrills group.

 

[Nico5999]

My Berman R10 in .20 would regularly do .75-1" groups at 50 yards.

It was a "Made in West Germany" 80's import and tuned by Russ Best, but the potential is there in all of them.

 

[ChuckHunter]

My Berman R10 in .20 would regularly do .75-1" groups at 50 yards.

It was a "Made in West Germany" 80's import and tuned by Russ Best, but the potential is there in all of them.

Yeah what he said!
After finding how it likes to be held 1" groups should be the norm on a no wind day!

 

[Sqwirl57]

Ok so I'm about on par then it seems. I was just getting frustrated because it always seems to be going really well but then one or two always want to ruin a great group. I'll chalk it up to just being a pretty snappy gun with little ammo selection to choose from.

 

[ChuckHunter]

If it's a new gun also check the pivot bolt through the breach! It should be just tight enough that the barrel won't free fall after it's cocked. The slightest play will throw groups off too. Especially at longer ranges!

 

[DualMagMike]

I strive for under an inch at 55 yards which is the FT maximum range. I have several groups that are well under 1/2 inch for 4 out the 5 shots. Not sure if it's my tendency to pull to the right or if it's the wind?


.341" for the 4 shot cluster

.351" 4 shot cluster

 

[Sqwirl57]

I strive for under an inch at 55 yards which is the FT maximum range. I have several groups that are well under 1/2 inch for 4 out the 5 shots. Not sure if it's my tendency to pull to the right or if it's the wind?


.341" for the 4 shot cluster
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.351" 4 shot cluster
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Yeah thats kind of similar to what I'm getting too. There are always a few that go where they are supposed to but always one or two that have a change of heart. I don't know if its me, the pellets, or the gun. I'm using the 13.73gr JSBs at the moment which seem to be the most consistent. The FTTs aren't terrible though either.

Its not a bad shooting gun by any means. Its just not a particularly fun gun to shoot groups with. It is fun to shoot stingers with though.

Edit: I meant "aren't" and not "are"

 

[GoldenStateAIRGUNer]

Yeah thats kind of similar to what I'm getting too. There are always a few that go where they are supposed to but always one or two that have a change of heart. I don't know if its me, the pellets, or the gun. I'm using the 13.73gr JSBs at the moment which seem to be the most consistent. The FTTs are terrible though either.

Its not a bad shooting gun by any means. Its just not a particularly fun gun to shoot groups with. It is fun to shoot stingers with though.

Everyone's nightmare! Those dreaded pesky fliers!

 

[maxtrouble]

Those are all great groups. I try not to chase groups with springers. I shoot spinners instead. Instant feedback and the misses are ALWAYS because of wind. Yep, always wind, NEVER the shooter.

 

[AirNGasman]

If you could completely eliminate human from the equation, the gun could probably average 1/2 to 3/4" five-shot groups at 50. But in Reality, a good shooter might get occasional groups in that range, but average two to three times as large.

 

[SpiralGroove]

Ok so I'm about on par then it seems. I was just getting frustrated because it always seems to be going really well but then one or two always want to ruin a great group. I'll chalk it up to just being a pretty snappy gun with little ammo selection to choose from.

I would scrub the barrel to smooth out the minor imperfections (400 clover and JB Paste) and then shoot JSB 13.73's.
Practice hold consistency, since the gun is new - most flyers are likely on you ....

 

[Sqwirl57]

I would scrub the barrel to smooth out the minor imperfections (400 clover and JB Paste) and then shoot JSB 13.73's.
Practice hold consistency, since the gun is new - most flyers are likely on you ....

Barrel has been scrubbed thoroughly and the gun does shoot pretty well. The "fliers" (which I have no doubt are me) don't open the group up much, but they do tend to get them to an inch or so. Its more of an annoyance than anything else. I just de-detuned it back down to 14.8fpe with the 13.73gr and my 30m groups are typically 1/2" or so. I just shot this 10 shot group as an example:

 

[SpiralGroove]

Just keep shooten; those 30M groups look nice.
My "scrubbing" comment is really barrel polishing

 

[Mycapt65]

I'm gonna find out this week. I brought my 20 caliber R9 with me to my AR property. I'll set up a target at 50 yds and see what I get. It's freshly tuned at 16 fpe. I think all I have is JSBs here.

Did you try the 20 caliber Baracudas?

 

[Sqwirl57]

I'm gonna find out this week. I brought my 20 caliber R9 with me to my AR property. I'll set up a target at 50 yds and see what I get. It's freshly tuned at 16 fpe. I think all I have is JSBs here.

Did you try the 20 caliber Baracudas?

I have not tried the Baracudas yet but plan to next time they're in stock.

 

[Mycapt65]

Well I'm all over the road with this groups vary from probably 1.5" to 0.5" if you exclude the sighter groups at the bottom. All groups are minimum of 5 shots. Distance is a measured 50 yds with calm winds occasionally gusts to 7 or 8 mph. I haven't set up a proper bench. I'm sitting in a plastic chair resting my left hand on a deck hand rail and my right arm is unsupported. With a proper set up I'm sure I'd be more consistent.

I've been shooting this R9 with my 22 R1. The R1 packs a wallop but the R9 is more accurate and enjoyable to shoot.

 

[Sqwirl57]

Well I'm all over the road with this groups vary from probably 1.5" to 0.5" if you exclude the sighter groups at the bottom. All groups are minimum of 5 shots. Distance is a measured 50 yds with calm winds occasionally gusts to 7 or 8 mph. I haven't set up a proper bench. I'm sitting in a plastic chair resting my left hand on a deck hand rail and my right arm is unsupported. With a proper set up I'm sure I'd be more consistent.

I've been shooting this R9 with my 22 R1. The R1 packs a wallop but the R9 is more accurate and enjoyable to shoot.

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Yeah thats about what I'm dealing with too. Heavy-ish wind today but I managed ONE good group out of 4. Its a very temperamental gun. If I'm not 100% on that trigger pull, I'm off target by a lot.

 

[Mycapt65]

Wind will always be a factor with airguns. My case was more about a poor set up. I'm referring to not having a proper bench.

 

[Sqwirl57]

Wind will always be a factor with airguns. My case was more about a poor set up. I'm referring to not having a proper bench.

Shoot... you're right sorry. I skimmed right past your shooting position and straight to the picture. That will definitely do it. The middle left group is very impressive concidering how you were shooting

 

[Mycapt65]

Shoot... you're right sorry. I skimmed right past your shooting position and straight to the picture. That will definitely do it. The middle left group is very impressive concidering how you were shooting

The potential is there. I just have to improve my bench