RAW sprung a leak

[marcella69]

"Dirte"

"marcella69"

"Dirte"The squeal noise is from too fast of a fill. What o'ring did you install?

I always fill extremely slow. I used the o-ring that was supplied by RAW. The squealing noise ceased after the o-ring swap-out.

If it is this o'ring, It can be pinched and ripped if it is tightened down too much. There is no reason why you could not put a spot of non petroleum o'ring lube on it either. This would give it a bit of slide when tightening. Most o'rings that are at the back of a screw, needs very little pressure when cinched. They will get mashed and ripped if you go beyond that.

The old o-ring looked fine. But I'll keep your advice in mind if this ever happens again. I need to get more o-rings; only one of that size was supplied. I think RAW owes me a pack of them.

 

[DanT55]

Never had a prob with mine over 6mo. I figure the less you mess with something the less can go wrong. Fill and shoot. 

Even though the bottle can come off I don't see why you would want to do that on a regular basis unless adjusting the reg or performing maintenance. My manual says nothing about having to remove the bottle before adjusting the trigger? Easy to get a pinch O ring if not installed correctly too. 

That bottle neck looks like it was clamped on by pliers? 

Regards,

DT

 

[weatherby]

"marcella69"

"scrane"That squeeling is air going past the check valve. A common thing. It'll be back.

Is this unique to RAWs? I never heard that God-awful-pig-being-slaughtered noise with my P-Rod, Daystate Pulsar, or FX Impact.

Mine was the same. Frikkin' annoying sound, and even more annoying, it happened after every shot fired when I shot my HMX tethered.
It happens that RAW is thinking that a valve spring of a Cat D11 is needed to close the check valve.
I replaced mine for a cut down ballpoint spring, and it has been silent eversince.
It has little to do with how fast someone fills, the spring is just too strong.
FX guns haven't even got a check valve spring. It is not really necessary, but with the quick fill pointed sideway up, a loose spring is advisable.


 

[marcella69]

"weatherby"

"marcella69"

"scrane"That squeeling is air going past the check valve. A common thing. It'll be back.

Is this unique to RAWs? I never heard that God-awful-pig-being-slaughtered noise with my P-Rod, Daystate Pulsar, or FX Impact.

Mine was the same. Frikkin' annoying sound, and even more annoying, it happened after every shot fired when I shot my HMX tethered.
It happens that RAW is thinking that a valve spring of a Cat D11 is needed to close the check valve.
I replaced mine for a cut down ballpoint spring, and it has been silent eversince.
It has little to do with how fast someone fills, the spring is just too strong.
FX guns haven't even got a check valve spring. It is not really necessary, but with the quick fill pointed sideway up, a loose spring is advisable.

Man, I'm really rethinking this RAW purchase. It sure looked good on paper. I should have waited until some unbiased reviews came out. 

 

[John "spysir" Blount]

Dear Marcella,

"I" don't think anyone "owes" you a thing. Not from anything I've heard.

Your rifle came with O-rings ( and a allen for adjusting the trigger, yah ! ) 
You were "going to wiat until "they" perfected the removable bottle, that shows a bit of a lack of reasarch as long as bottle rigs have been around.
It is advised the bottle o-ring be replaced everytime it is removed.

Every single question you never asked ( or didn't want to know ei: trigger adjustment ) is quickly available without expecting a business owner to hold your hand through everything involved in an airgun. 
You do not want help, ( I would have helped you if you did ). No idea what a match trigger is, say "I hope it's a good as my BP" but no it's better! And you don't like that, wow, under 3 minutes to adjust in the field if you wanted it different. Miserable about the shipping container, teehee, order from a lesser company sometime, and, I'm sure you could have had a custom Walnut case made, but.

Better subject line:
"I figured out how to make my RAW leak".

Your first couple postings on raw had a few very knowledgeable folks pop in for a minute but IMO as you didn't want actual help w/anything they went away fast.

At least this post is about airguns and not so far OT one wonders why it's here, that's nice.

 

[weatherby]

"marcella69"

"weatherby"

"marcella69"

"scrane"That squeeling is air going past the check valve. A common thing. It'll be back.

Is this unique to RAWs? I never heard that God-awful-pig-being-slaughtered noise with my P-Rod, Daystate Pulsar, or FX Impact.

Mine was the same. Frikkin' annoying sound, and even more annoying, it happened after every shot fired when I shot my HMX tethered.
It happens that RAW is thinking that a valve spring of a Cat D11 is needed to close the check valve.
I replaced mine for a cut down ballpoint spring, and it has been silent eversince.
It has little to do with how fast someone fills, the spring is just too strong.
FX guns haven't even got a check valve spring. It is not really necessary, but with the quick fill pointed sideway up, a loose spring is advisable.

Man, I'm really rethinking this RAW purchase. It sure looked good on paper. I should have waited until some unbiased reviews came out.

No need to rethink, it is a quality rifle, but the perfect airgun does not exist
The only reason I have sold mine is that I could get a very good price, and I just could not justify the high price over a FX Boss (RAW is almost 1000€ more expensive here in the EU).
I like to try as many AG's in person, and now I can say I have owned and tried one first hand
Cheer up, when these "start up issues" are gone, you won't regret it one bit.
I agree, nothing is more frustrating than a new gun with some issues, but it happens with every brand, premium brands as well.
I totally understand this is even more frustrating after digging up +2000$ for a AG, than (for instance) a 400$ Hatsan. For such an amount of $$$, your expectations are a lot higher as well. (And IMO you should be too)

Hope you have it sorted out soon. Good thing that the RAW's are not the hardest guns to fix, they are easy to work on.

cheers, Gijs


 

[scrane]

"spysir"Dear Marcella,

"I" don't think anyone "owes" you a thing. Not from anything I've heard.

Your rifle came with O-rings ( and a allen for adjusting the trigger, yah ! ) 
You were "going to wiat until "they" perfected the removable bottle, that shows a bit of a lack of reasarch as long as bottle rigs have been around.
It is advised the bottle o-ring be replaced everytime it is removed.

Every single question you never asked ( or didn't want to know ei: trigger adjustment ) is quickly available without expecting a business owner to hold your hand through everything involved in an airgun. 
You do not want help, ( I would have helped you if you did ). No idea what a match trigger is, say "I hope it's a good as my BP" but no it's better! And you don't like that, wow, under 3 minutes to adjust in the field if you wanted it different. Miserable about the shipping container, teehee, order from a lesser company sometime, and, I'm sure you could have had a custom Walnut case made, but.

Better subject line:
"I figured out how to make my RAW leak".

Your first couple postings on raw had a few very knowledgeable folks pop in for a minute but IMO as you didn't want actual help w/anything they went away fast.

At least this post is about airguns and not so far OT one wonders why it's here, that's nice.

No kidding!

 

[Michael]

"marcella69"

"Michael"

"scrane"The reliability of an airgun is inversely proportional to how much you screw with it.

Agreed. Why did you remove the bottle off of your brand new rifle?

It's the only way to adjust the trigger. Please reference RAW's marketing materials and owners manual. Besides, the RAW HM 1000x .357 (130 ft-lbf regulated) is touted as utilizing field-swappable bottles.

That's strange. I've never owned a RAW, but I've had numerous Theoben's & I've never had to remove the bottle to adjust the trigger.

If you knew you wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage then why didn't you request that as part of your build? 

On a safety note: 4.7oz single stage on a .357 hunting rig sounds a bit dangerous don't you think? 

 

[weatherby]

"Michael"

"marcella69"

"Michael"

"scrane"The reliability of an airgun is inversely proportional to how much you screw with it.

Agreed. Why did you remove the bottle off of your brand new rifle?

It's the only way to adjust the trigger. Please reference RAW's marketing materials and owners manual. Besides, the RAW HM 1000x .357 (130 ft-lbf regulated) is touted as utilizing field-swappable bottles.

That's strange. I've never owned a RAW, but I've had numerous Theoben's & I've never had to remove the bottle to adjust the trigger.

If you knew you wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage then why didn't you request that as part of your build? 

On a safety note: 4.7oz single stage on a .357 hunting rig sounds a bit dangerous don't you think? 

Hi Michael, It is true, to get the action out of the stock with the CF bottle attached, you need to remove the bottle first.
The CF bottles have a thicker neck, and there is a big chance one of the "ears" of the QF cutout will break off if you pull it out of the stock. I have seen it happen a couple of times.
Could be that the alu bottles are small enough to fit through the stock without removing the bottle. (Never tried it, mine had the CF bottle)


 

[marcella69]

"Michael"

"marcella69"

"Michael"

"scrane"The reliability of an airgun is inversely proportional to how much you screw with it.

Agreed. Why did you remove the bottle off of your brand new rifle?

It's the only way to adjust the trigger. Please reference RAW's marketing materials and owners manual. Besides, the RAW HM 1000x .357 (130 ft-lbf regulated) is touted as utilizing field-swappable bottles.

That's strange. I've never owned a RAW, but I've had numerous Theoben's & I've never had to remove the bottle to adjust the trigger.

If you knew you wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage then why didn't you request that as part of your build? 

On a safety note: 4.7oz single stage on a .357 hunting rig sounds a bit dangerous don't you think? 

Michael, I can't tell you how pleased I am that you stipulate that a 4.7 oz trigger with no first stage is "dangerous." This is precisely why I adjusted it to 10.5 oz with an 1/8" first stage. I have no idea how you inferred that I "wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage." If you've been following my posts in an objective manner, you would know that I expressed the exact opposite. At no time did anyone at RAW inquire how I wanted the trigger set.

It's obvious that you've never owned a RAW or it would also be obvious to you that the bottle and stock must be removed to adjust the trigger. There are even step-by-step instructions in the owners manual on how to remove the bottle and stock. If you would have referenced the owners manual as I notified you to do, you should have been cognizant of this.

 

[marcella69]

Well, my RAW survived the night without leaking after the o-ring swap-out. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[Crutcherro1]

Scrane,

 

[Crutcherro1]

Sorry, but my should have gone to Spysir. I agree...

 

[scrane]

I am happy to yield the complement to spysir.

 

[Crutcherro1]

Scrane,

 

[Crutcherro1]

Spysir and Scrane,
There are a lot of very high IQ people on this forum. I appreciate your input... 

 

[jps2486]

"Deja"heh som much for that impeccable raw quality. well bad luck is bad luck. that said, of my 3 pcps my cheapest one has been the most flawless. had problems with my vulcan and my streamline but the gamo has been perfect.

If you have a PCP air rifle using O rings to seal the air (I believe all of them do), then eventually one or more will leak.

 

[Michael]

"marcella69"

"Michael"

"marcella69"

"Michael"

The reliability of an airgun is inversely proportional to how much you screw with it.

Agreed. Why did you remove the bottle off of your brand new rifle?

It's the only way to adjust the trigger. Please reference RAW's marketing materials and owners manual. Besides, the RAW HM 1000x .357 (130 ft-lbf regulated) is touted as utilizing field-swappable bottles.

That's strange. I've never owned a RAW, but I've had numerous Theoben's & I've never had to remove the bottle to adjust the trigger.

If you knew you wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage then why didn't you request that as part of your build? 

On a safety note: 4.7oz single stage on a .357 hunting rig sounds a bit dangerous don't you think? 

Michael, I can't tell you how pleased I am that you stipulate that a 4.7 oz trigger with no first stage is "dangerous." This is precisely why I adjusted it to 10.5 oz with an 1/8" first stage. I have no idea how you inferred that I "wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage." If you've been following my posts in an objective manner, you would know that I expressed the exact opposite. At no time did anyone at RAW inquire how I wanted the trigger set.

It's obvious that you've never owned a RAW or it would also be obvious to you that the bottle and stock must be removed to adjust the trigger. There are even step-by-step instructions in the owners manual on how to remove the bottle and stock. If you would have referenced the owners manual as I notified you to do, you should have been cognizant of this.

Please take a lesson from Weatherby on how to reply to a comment. I clearly stated that I've owned several Theoben's (RAW's predecessor) but not a RAW. I do not have a user manual nor do I have a need to download one. I'll take your word that the manual does in fact say that.

Good job fixing your leak. Orings are by far the weakest link in our airguns. Special caution needs to be taken not to damage or over tighten them.

I misread your comment about how the trigger arrived. If the trigger was too light for your taste then I understand your reason for adjusting it. But I have trouble believing that RAW sent you a 4.7oz single stage trigger on a .357 hunting rig. I'm not saying its impossible, just doesn't make sense.

Did you forget that I had to convince Martin to send out your rifle after you insulted his wife & their facility. Don't make me regret doing that by saying condescending things. Martin took extra care to make sure the rifle was just right to avoid comments like that. So please take your time and get to know the rifle. 

This is a tight knit community & insulting members & manufacturers isn't a good idea.

 

[marcella69]

"weatherby"

"marcella69"

"weatherby"

"marcella69"

That squeeling is air going past the check valve. A common thing. It'll be back.

Is this unique to RAWs? I never heard that God-awful-pig-being-slaughtered noise with my P-Rod, Daystate Pulsar, or FX Impact.

Mine was the same. Frikkin' annoying sound, and even more annoying, it happened after every shot fired when I shot my HMX tethered.
It happens that RAW is thinking that a valve spring of a Cat D11 is needed to close the check valve.
I replaced mine for a cut down ballpoint spring, and it has been silent eversince.
It has little to do with how fast someone fills, the spring is just too strong.
FX guns haven't even got a check valve spring. It is not really necessary, but with the quick fill pointed sideway up, a loose spring is advisable.

Man, I'm really rethinking this RAW purchase. It sure looked good on paper. I should have waited until some unbiased reviews came out.

No need to rethink, it is a quality rifle, but the perfect airgun does not exist
The only reason I have sold mine is that I could get a very good price, and I just could not justify the high price over a FX Boss (RAW is almost 1000€ more expensive here in the EU).
I like to try as many AG's in person, and now I can say I have owned and tried one first hand
Cheer up, when these "start up issues" are gone, you won't regret it one bit.
I agree, nothing is more frustrating than a new gun with some issues, but it happens with every brand, premium brands as well.
I totally understand this is even more frustrating after digging up +2000$ for a AG, than (for instance) a 400$ Hatsan. For such an amount of $$$, your expectations are a lot higher as well. (And IMO you should be too)

Hope you have it sorted out soon. Good thing that the RAW's are not the hardest guns to fix, they are easy to work on.

cheers, Gijs

Gijs, thanks for havin' my back . Actually, I had my baby out in the field for the first time today and I couldn't be happier! Boy, this honey packs a punch! She actually has a kick; she knocks my Trigger Stick tripod off its base and I lose my sight picture! Very nice; this is just what I wanted, an air rifle with the power of a .22lr rimfire. I even managed to get a half-assed zero at 44 yards; I ran out of Y-axis and air at the same time. I'll have to adjust my FX No-Limit mounts to get the extra Y I need. I shot from 240 bar down to 160 bar and got three complete mags shot (21 shots) per fill. This is substantially more than the advertised 16 regulated shots per fill. (Although I have not yet run a complete shot string to know exactly where she drops off reg yet, I assume she was on reg the whole time. I want to shoot a whole tin of pellets through her first to break-in the reg.) I got an extra bottle fill off my Omega 12 cu-ft 4,500 psi CF tank. (It was filled to only 4K psi.) I got a good grouping (for me). I'm sure the rifle outshoots me. Overall, I am extremely happy. I am confident that the overall performance will improve as use goes by; she will age like fine wine

 

[marcella69]

"Michael"

"marcella69"

"Michael"

"marcella69"

The reliability of an airgun is inversely proportional to how much you screw with it.

Agreed. Why did you remove the bottle off of your brand new rifle?

It's the only way to adjust the trigger. Please reference RAW's marketing materials and owners manual. Besides, the RAW HM 1000x .357 (130 ft-lbf regulated) is touted as utilizing field-swappable bottles.

That's strange. I've never owned a RAW, but I've had numerous Theoben's & I've never had to remove the bottle to adjust the trigger.

If you knew you wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage then why didn't you request that as part of your build? 

On a safety note: 4.7oz single stage on a .357 hunting rig sounds a bit dangerous don't you think? 

Michael, I can't tell you how pleased I am that you stipulate that a 4.7 oz trigger with no first stage is "dangerous." This is precisely why I adjusted it to 10.5 oz with an 1/8" first stage. I have no idea how you inferred that I "wanted the trigger to be an ultralight single stage." If you've been following my posts in an objective manner, you would know that I expressed the exact opposite. At no time did anyone at RAW inquire how I wanted the trigger set.

It's obvious that you've never owned a RAW or it would also be obvious to you that the bottle and stock must be removed to adjust the trigger. There are even step-by-step instructions in the owners manual on how to remove the bottle and stock. If you would have referenced the owners manual as I notified you to do, you should have been cognizant of this.

Please take a lesson from Weatherby on how to reply to a comment. I clearly stated that I've owned several Theoben's (RAW's predecessor) but not a RAW. I do not have a user manual nor do I have a need to download one. I'll take your word that the manual does in fact say that.

Good job fixing your leak. Orings are by far the weakest link in our airguns. Special caution needs to be taken not to damage or over tighten them.

I misread your comment about how the trigger arrived. If the trigger was too light for your taste then I understand your reason for adjusting it. But I have trouble believing that RAW sent you a 4.7oz single stage trigger on a .357 hunting rig. I'm not saying its impossible, just doesn't make sense.

Did you forget that I had to convince Martin to send out your rifle after you insulted his wife & their facility. Don't make me regret doing that by saying condescending things. Martin took extra care to make sure the rifle was just right to avoid comments like that. So please take your time and get to know the rifle. 

This is a tight knit community & insulting members & manufacturers isn't a good idea.

Michael, I appreciate your acknowledgement of your misinterpretation of my comments; that is a hallmark of high character. My intent was not to insult anyone. I have nothing but the highest regard for you and all the folks at RAW and on this forum. I am extremely pleased with my RAW, especially now that i have actually had her out in the field