raw owners single shot vrs magazine accuracy

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for those of you that own a raw with a repeating action. (GUNS WITH A MAGAZINE)

​how do you find your gun shoots.. is your gun more accurate single shot or is you gun more accurate
​with shooting it with the magazine.

​MY DAYSTATE AIRWOLF FORINSTANCE IS MORE ACCURATE WITH A MAGAZINE THAN IN SINGLE SHOT MODE WITH SOME PELLETS
AND WITH OTHER PELLETS ITS MORE ACCURATE IN SINGLE SHOT MODE GO FIGURE

​would like to hear from you raw owners and you imput. much aprecheated
 
I do not think that the magazine modifies accuracy at all or much. Since it is a bolt action, the magazine does not affect insertion of the pellet in the chamber. When the bolt is all the way forward the bolt is going through the magazine, and I would assume acts like there is not even a magazine there from a physics perspective. With the way it is set up, (and most air rifles are) they are not semiautomatic as they are bolt action, which means that they are magazine fed single shot.. You might be able to seat the pellet a little deeper by some manual method, but the bolt is seating the pellets fairly deep already.

I actually like the magazine, as wonky as pellet rifle magazines are to load, they make reloading much easier between shots as you can keep your sight picture and also they are standardizing pellet placement everytime as the pellets are properly aligned by the magazine.

RAW HM1000X .25 LRT
 
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I have a BM500x 30cal which is a single shot only, no magazine. But I would assume that having a magazine would help insure the pellet is square and lined up correctly better than one can by hand. When I feed a pellet into my 30cal the chamber is tight and frankly I feel its fairly easy to have one go in on a angle all too easily. But IDK for sure if it makes that much difference... You close the bolt the pellet probe is going to push that pellet to the correct depth in the chamber and I would assume make up for any misalignment from hand loading, but i dont know for sure... Conventional wisdom is that hand loaded pellets are more accurate, but if you are putting them in slight off angle can that still be true?
 
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For what its worth, I have a TM & a BM, neither one has a magazine, I've done experiments trying to seat pellets canted but as the probe pushes the pellet into the ( chamber! ) so to speak chamber, it self centers the pellet almost perfectly every time! Both putting just the head of the pellet in or seating the pellet by hand all the way to the skirt, I'm assuming Martin uses a tappered reamer when he finishes the chamber end of the barrel, either way I can't purposely seat a pellet canted, at least not enough to make a difference on the target! I'm no expert but I've eliminated any doubts in my mind anyway!
 
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"nomojo65"For what its worth, I have a TM & a BM, neither one has a magazine, I've done experiments trying to seat pellets canted but as the probe pushes the pellet into the ( chamber! ) so to speak chamber, it self centers the pellet almost perfectly every time! Both putting just the head of the pellet in or seating the pellet by hand all the way to the skirt, I'm assuming Martin uses a tappered reamer when he finishes the chamber end of the barrel, either way I can't purposely seat a pellet canted, at least not enough to make a difference on the target! I'm no expert but I've eliminated any doubts in my mind anyway!
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I'm nearly there myself. I'd already be there if my 30cal had a thimble like the little BMs have lol (hint hint, yeah I know it takes time)
 
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This is an interesting topic. 

It took me a long time to understand the theory behind why target rifles were usually single shot instead of mag-fed. My understanding is that, in theory, hand-loading allows the shooter the opportunity to see that the pellet has gone into the chamber properly positioned and without any skirt damage. 

In theory, if you load with a mag, you might miss that 1 in 100 scenario where the pellet gets pushed in at the wrong angle, causing minor (but meaningful) skirt damage that results in the flyer that loses them the match.

The problem with this theory is that it's very hard to prove because potential issues won't happen on every shot, or even regularly. It only has to happen occasionally to make someone lose a match and if you were on the US team going to the world finals, you might not want to take any chances. For almost everyone else, there is a question mark over whether it matters.

The opposing theory is that there is no reason why a well made air gun and mag, like you would expect with RAW, should ever damage pellets or seat them improperly. I could see it being more of an issue with some of my cheaper guns where the mag indexing and loading mechanism can feel gritty and requires force with some pellets. 

My opinion is try both and if you can't notice a difference then use the method you prefer.
 
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The single fed vs. magazine is relevant, but I do believe it has to do more with the design of the probe and magazine. Spring-loaded mags (Marauder style) has been known to clip the skirt as the probe pushes it out from the magazine chamber and into the barrel, as the skirt leaves the magazine pouch the magazine can rotate, if the force of the spring that drives the rotation is big enough it could damage the thin skirt especially if the probe isnt fat and fill the void and hold the internal mag in place as it pushes the pellet out of the mag.
 
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It's not just auto-indexing mags that have the potential to damage pellet skirts. On non-auto-indexing mags like you get on the Cricket and Wildcat, it relies on the pellet hole lining up with the bore properly. 

The indexing pin on the Cricket is very weak. It breaks and bends fairly easily. My first one lasted less than 2 months before it bent enough to stop the magazine advancing to the next hole. It's not hard to imagine less severe bends causing a slight misalignment - not enough to stop you loading the next pellet but perhaps enough to cause damage to some skirts. 

I think it's fair to say that some guns might be better than others in this respect. 

Either way, my first approach would be to use the mag unless it gave me reason not to. I really don't enjoy single shot loading in the field. 
 
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I only want to shhot single shot but I cant decide on these 2 option
​1, get a hm1000 and just shoot single shot all the time with magazine removed
OR
​2 get the bm 500 action and shoot it shingle shot. as the bm action comes with a thimble for the barrel

​I'm after accuracy only and not rapid fire. what do you guys think will be the best bet in the quest for accuracy
 
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The benefit of the thimble is you can index your barrel which might be helpful as far as accuracy goes. I'm sure a custom gunsmith could make up a barrel with a thimble for the HM1000 if needed.
There is plenty of room to single load the HM1000. I have yet to use the magazine in mine. The BM1000 has an even larger cutout in the receiver for easier loading. 
The heavier BM500 with its chunky extended forearm will give you a better rest. But, the BM stock is not suited to shooting offhand or informally.
The lack of the heavy silencer at the muzzle of the BM gives you more options to control barrel harmonics. As far as Titanium vs CF for the sleeve I don't know which is better.
The BM will cost you almost $500. more than the HM.
 
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