RAW HM1000x is it really that quiet?

[Goldwing]

RAW HM1000x is it really that quiet?

Looks to be over 90dB, yes I know it's in a chamber, for those that have it, what do you think?



https://youtu.be/yiKduXvaP-o

 

[stoti]

The offset moderator is not quiet at all. The newer huge moderator is better but still not great. RAW is coming out with an adapter and the new guns have a threaded 1/2x20 barrel. DonnyFL also now sells an adapter for the current, huge moderator. It’s the same size as the Ronin and allows the Ronin to be attached for a longer, very quiet version. 

Stoti

 

[kingsqueak]

That's pretty loud for an air rifle, right about 100db but a .22lr is over 130db, a 12ga is 154db.

Just going off this list for comparison https://www.m1911.org/loudness.htm

"Loud" is relative and how loud you want depends on the factors you particularly want to consider.

"Back yard friendly" kind of makes me fidget because I can shoot a .50 BMG in my back yard right now and be fine, but if I smacked a fly with a swatter too loud where I lived in NJ, some Karen would call SWAT out on me. What does "back yard friendly" mean? It means what the person who owns the back yard decides and what circumstances they have to consider.

 

[dizzums]

i dunno dont have one ... rural where i live i consider it quiet enough when the target getting hit is louder than the gun ... thats 'just right' lol ... we dont want any interest directed at our position, its better down range .. keeps um guessin lol ...

 

[elh0102]

The offset moderator is not quiet at all. The newer huge moderator is better but still not great. RAW is coming out with an adapter and the new guns have a threaded 1/2x20 barrel. DonnyFL also now sells an adapter for the current, huge moderator. It’s the same size as the Ronin and allows the Ronin to be attached for a longer, very quiet version. 

Stoti

I'm surprised that Martin would make a threaded muzzle. He has consistently been in the camp of believing you should never thread a muzzle. Maybe it's actually a press-on adapter. 

 

[Airgunmann]

He has had press on threaded adapters on them since before air force bought them out that is the way my moderator goes together 2 threaded adapters one is pressed on and grub screwed to barrel and threaded into plastic piece to hold it together I don't know the thread size but it is threaded and a pre air force raw 

 

[bdzjlz]

I have a .25 with the original offset moderator, and a .22 just a couple of months old with the new canister moderator. The canister moderator doesn’t look as cool but I believe it is considerably quieter.

 

[TMH]

Neil Clague's moderator replaced the AF offset one on my .25. Quieter (pretty quiet, actually), and the gun seems to be a little more accurate as well. Neil's is just a little longer and slightly larger in O.D. as compared to the OEM, pre-AF (Martin-built) moderator on the .30 cal I used to own.

 

[SpiralGroove]

Hey Goldwing,

Having owned a RAW HM1000xLRT for a year now ... and just bought another, I can say "The gun doesn't have to be really loud". The most important solution is reducing hammer bounce, which wastes air creating a report louder than necessary. Two things which can make it much quieter (best) at moderate/moderate high power setting are the additions of a SSG (Spring Stop Guide) and Transfer Port Re-stricter. The SSG stops hammer bounce and the TP restriction reduces air usage above FPE needed.

I removed the large (ugly) OEM moderator - making my own from CFT. The addition of SSG's and TP re-stricters greatly reduce the gun's loudness issues

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[Goldwing]

Thanks everyone for the input, I'd like to hear one of the newer HM1000x with a Silent Thunder Ordnance- Sarissa on it.

Have one on a new FX Maverick Snipers 700mm, if the Silent Thunder Ordnance- Sarissa fits the HM1000x I'd seriously would move over to the HM1000x for it's simpler design and being made in the USA helps a lot too

 

[John "spysir" Blount]

I had ( and if you'd like to sell it back I'll buy it) an Hm1000 .22 with the original straight mod, set @ 30fpe and dead silent.

Martin does do all kinds of work:

https://www.airguns-usa.com/



John

also had the 1st .30 with the offset, it wasn't "silent" but you certainly didn't need hearing protection

 

[Goldwing]

I had ( and if you'd like to sell it back I'll buy it) an Hm1000 .22 with the original straight mod, set @ 30fpe and dead silent.

Martin does do all kinds of work:

https://www.airguns-usa.com/



John

also had the 1st .30 with the offset, it wasn't "silent" but you certainly didn't need hearing protection

That's some good info on the Custom Airgun Specialists guy, thank you!

 

[Ranchibi]

Glad Martin is making them now with adapters! I have a .22 with the conventional str8 carbon fiber moderator and tuned @ 950fps with 18gr (36ft/lbs) it is very quiet.

 

[Goldwing]

Glad Martin is making them now with adapters! I have a .22 with the conventional str8 carbon fiber moderator and tuned @ 950fps with 18gr (36ft/lbs) it is very quiet.

That's encouraging

Thanks

 

[Daviddmund]

My RAW HM1000x LRT 22cal came with the new moderator(pop can/car muffler style). Took sound measurements shooting JSB 25.4gr pellets at 935fps. Measured 75 to 77dB. The new moderator and barrel was replaced with the older carbon fiber offset style. Found that the sound levels were still in the same 75 to 77dB range.

The gun looks much better and the offset moderator doesn't interfere with the scope picture.

David

 

[SpiralGroove]

Hey Goldwing,

Having owned a RAW HM1000xLRT for a year now ... and just bought another, I can say "The gun doesn't have to be really loud". The most important solution is reducing hammer bounce, which wastes air creating a report louder than necessary. Two things which can make it much quieter (best) at moderate/moderate high power setting are the additions of a SSG (Spring Stop Guide) and Transfer Port Re-stricter. The SSG stops hammer bounce and the TP restriction reduces air usage above FPE needed.

I removed the large (ugly) OEM moderator - making my own from CFT. The addition of SSG's and TP re-stricters greatly reduce the gun's loudness issues

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Another important (thing I forgot to mention), because the SSG and TP re-stricter reduce air consumption and NOISE, you achieve many more shots per fill. Basically were making the gun more efficient and getting more shots - a side effect is reduced noise. After market noise suppressors reduce noise by diverting air to reduce noise, but - The ideal solution is not to waste it in the first place.

It's like buying new clothes because your getting FAT - instead of loosing weight!!!

 

[mubhaur]

I use my own developed silencer on 60 ftlb RAW HM1000X .25. 

It's very quiet now.

 

[Goldwing]

I use my own developed silencer on 60 ftlb RAW HM1000X .25. 

It's very quiet now.

Have you done a tutorial of the making of your moderator?

Thanks

 

[stoti]

Spiralgroove, I am not knocking your advice at all, I agree with you. Those devices can certainly be beneficial to this platform. However, tuning the gun properly should be the first step and will reduce most of the wasted air these devices “limit” in the first place. 
It’s also important to draw a distinction between the .22, .25 and .30. I never saw that mentioned in this thread. A properly tuned RAW in .22 is quiet compared to the .25 and .30. The offset moderator on our .25 was loud. The .22 is not nearly as bad. 
Have a great day. 
Stoti

 

[mubhaur]

I use my own developed silencer on 60 ftlb RAW HM1000X .25. 

It's very quiet now.

Have you done a tutorial of the making of your moderator?

Thanks

I will try to make video