R5M Matador - Standard or Long? Trigger ok?

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The HUMA allows you to run a lower reg pressure to get the same speeds. I’m hoping to get one for Christmas... I have set my gun to shoot 45ftlb and it was much quieter and still accurate with the 25.4s. I just wanted more power since I’ve had a coyote creeping around and I’ve got other guns at 28-33 ftlb
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In fact such statements just makes me crazy! :) Long time ago already the plenum was made bigger for all EDgun, the adjusting of the regulator is easy, I've made a lot of vids about the regulator, but people fooled with the marketing are still willing to paym ore USD just to get the same results! Why! I wonder if anybody, praying HUMA regulator just tried to do any regulation with the original ones?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX7VjaFZwGU&t=970s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q7tQZ-TGBE&t=11s
 
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I tottaly agree with you Ed, for the quality of your reg

Easy to adjust, very accurate, 8-9 fps spread with unweighted pellets, same shot speed even after 4 days, NO creep, no leaks.

The huma reg has a little bit bigger plenum but its not that much that make me by one, i can get easy over 54 fpe from my .25 long

The reg is like the gun, strong and stable


 
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Hi JWilson,

Just a quick question on the Leyla 2.0. I've heard some reports that the gun is a bit loud. Have you ever dialed down the HST to lower velocities to see if it quiets down? Say compared to the Marauder. (Wife seems to like the Leyla. She thinks it is cute.)

Thanks,

Nugria
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First off, I do not find the Lelya 2.0 loud. When tuned for a particular purpose, it is really surprisingly pleasant. Mine pictured has the Bat moderator and is really quiet. It is currently tuned to the 25.4s at 855 fps. The only Marauder here that I can compare to is a really heavily modded .22. The Lelya is more quiet by far😂😂
 
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The HUMA allows you to run a lower reg pressure to get the same speeds. I’m hoping to get one for Christmas... I have set my gun to shoot 45ftlb and it was much quieter and still accurate with the 25.4s. I just wanted more power since I’ve had a coyote creeping around and I’ve got other guns at 28-33 ftlb
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In fact such statements just makes me crazy! :) Long time ago already the plenum was made bigger for all EDgun, the adjusting of the regulator is easy, I've made a lot of vids about the regulator, but people fooled with the marketing are still willing to paym ore USD just to get the same results! Why! I wonder if anybody, praying HUMA regulator just tried to do any regulation with the original ones?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX7VjaFZwGU&t=970s







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q7tQZ-TGBE&t=11s

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Ed at what serial number did you go to the newer regulator?
 
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The Bat really makes these guns mouse fart quiet. But even without it, they are not very loud. I had my R5M with factory baffle slinging JSBs at 1050 fps, and yah, it had a bit of a bark. Fired a Hornet in my backyard and it went supersonic... Man that scared the crap out of me!! Luckily no SWAT showed up.

Anyhow, tuned to mid 800s, very reasonable report. I would guess about 82 db. 

Yes as folks have said, the trigger is not a match trigger... But very good nonetheless. I have mine about 1 lbs, no creep. Very easy to shoot accurately. 
 
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I got my R5M Standard in .25cal (S/N: 1616) exactly 1 year and 2 days ago and mine has the new regulator. It does not have the regulator labeling for precise adjustments which I believe Ed came up with later based on his videos. I just recently changed out the o-rings on the regulator piston to include the high pressure and low pressure side of the regulator and the outer o-ring of the valve assembly. I was getting about a 30 FPS drop on the first shot after my gun would sit after a day or so hence the change of the o-rings. 

New factory regulator:






 
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Ed and Mikepr are correct.

I got a Huma for my edgun long in .22. I was not super impressed. First, it came out of the factory miss an o-ring- easy fix once I figured it out. Second, it started creeping.

So, I popped the factory one back in. I've been using it ever since. Its great. The only difference is a hair more power in the Huma because the larger plenum. I really dont think it was worth buying.

But, since I already own it, 'm going to try it once more after I rebuild it and change out all the o-rings, if it does not work after that, I'm done with it.
 
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Ed's regulators have always been very air efficient, very consistent for velocity, and don't creep. They also go a long time between rebuilds. That's been my experience over multiple generations of Edguns having owned an .22 R2.5, .22 R3, .25 R3, .22 R3M, .25 R3M, a .25 R5M, and a Leshiy.

Only reason I have a Huma power plenum kit in my .25 R5M is the larger plenum volume with the Huma regulator and plenum extension compared to the original regulator allowed me to run 17 bar lower regulator pressure when shooting the 34gr JSB's at 61 ft-lb. That 17 bar difference was confirmed using the same gauge to test both regulators. That 17 bar lower regulated pressure with the Huma and plenum extension kit allowed me to squeeze out a few more shots per fill and also required less hammer spring tension so it's easier on the valve and the hammer to valve impact noise is reduced compared to running the original regulator with the smaller plenum at higher regulator pressure and hammer spring tension at the same 61 ft-lb muzzle energy.

A bit more plenum volume with the factory regulator would have accomplished the same thing.

If I was only shooting the 25.4gr JSB's I would have stuck with the original regulator and plenum volume which works perfectly for the 25.4 JSB at around 47 ft-lb. I just didn't like how high I had to crank the hammer spring tension and how loud the hammer to valve impact noise was in my ear with the factory regulator tuned for 61 ft-lb, hence the Huma power plenum kit.
 
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Ed's regulators have always been very air efficient, very consistent for velocity, and don't creep. They also go a long time between rebuilds. That's been my experience over multiple generations of Edguns having owned an .22 R2.5, .22 R3, .25 R3, .22 R3M, .25 R3M, a .25 R5M, and a Leshiy.

Only reason I have a Huma power plenum kit in my .25 R5M is the larger plenum volume with the Huma regulator and plenum extension compared to the original regulator allowed me to run 17 bar lower regulator pressure when shooting the 34gr JSB's at 61 ft-lb. That 17 bar difference was confirmed using the same gauge to test both regulators. That 17 bar lower regulated pressure with the Huma and plenum extension kit allowed me to squeeze out a few more shots per fill and also required less hammer spring tension so it's easier on the valve and the hammer to valve impact noise is reduced compared to running the original regulator with the smaller plenum at higher regulator pressure and hammer spring tension at the same 61 ft-lb muzzle energy.

A bit more plenum volume with the factory regulator would have accomplished the same thing.

If I was only shooting the 25.4gr JSB's I would have stuck with the original regulator and plenum volume which works perfectly for the 25.4 JSB at around 47 ft-lb. I just didn't like how high I had to crank the hammer spring tension and how loud the hammer to valve impact noise was in my ear with the factory regulator tuned for 61 ft-lb, hence the Huma power plenum kit.
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Kiba, which .25 R5M do you have? The Long or Standard?
 
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As for after regulator pressure, based on my experience the higher after regulator pressure give you more air effetient consumption and quiter sound of the shot, as you the valve should stay open for shorter period of time. That is why I set them at 125-130 bar and the plenum was calculated to that pressure. If somebody wants to go down with the after regulator pressure, yes, he needs more volume of the plenum as in this case he needs more air for the shot. It works well only for low energy. I mean all EDguns are set to close to maxium energy and for UK, for example, it is OK to low the after regulator pressure to get less energy. But, in fact, I doubt there are too many such cases.
 
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As for after regulator pressure, based on my experience the higher after regulator pressure give you more air effetient consumption and quiter sound of the shot, as you the valve should stay open for shorter period of time. That is why I set them at 125-130 bar and the plenum was calculated to that pressure. If somebody wants to go down with the after regulator pressure, yes, he needs more volume of the plenum as in this case he needs more air for the shot. It works well only for low energy. I mean all EDguns are set to close to maxium energy and for UK, for example, it is OK to low the after regulator pressure to get less energy. But, in fact, I doubt there are too many such cases.
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I definitely agree! I learned a LOT about PCP tuning with my Leshiy. While some guys were convinced that they were getting the most efficient and quietest tunes with low pressure, I had already realized that a nice, quick tap at high pressure could get me very low ES and very quiet shots, with higher shot counts. I also believe that there are "appropriate" regulator pressures for different projectiles, and I wouldn't ever try to use low pressure for heavier ammo like with slugs, they need a big initial boost for harmonics and accuracy. 
 
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