Question about quality.

[1911matt]

While I'm new to PCP rifles, I have shot long range rifle for over 35 years. We were shooting 1000 yards be for it cool.

That said, I received my Fortitude today. While it's a nice gun, we all know it at the bottom of the PCP list. Here's my issue. After fixing some issues on the gun, it shot multiple 5 shot groups at 50 that were 2 pellet holes. Obviously there is room for improvement, it could shoot a one hole group. But why spend $500-$2000 on other guns that likely can't do any better? Am I missing something? I did put some excellent glass on the fortitude, so that didn't hurt. 

 

[Yo]

DAAAAAAAAAMMMMMNNN!!! YO!

 

[Bob_O]

You'll have an Impact before summer is over.

 

[TommyinTx]

You might need to shoot different pellets to see what your rifle likes most of my rifles love the a JSB pellets. 

 

[TommyinTx]

I also learned the hard way if you want the same kind of groups That you get out of a long range powder burner than you will be looking at those high dollar pcp air rifles. Bob O is correct you might be looking at an FX Impact or Crown you can’t go wrong. 

 

[mmahoney]

You aren't missing anything. It is like driving cross country in an old Ford Tempo vs a Mercedes Benz. Both will get you there at the same time just fine but one is a much more refined experience.

 

[L.Leon]

@1911matt, most of the good inexpensive PCPs, yours being an example will shoot really good in the right hands. What you get when you spend more is not just about accuracy alone. I still like my Gamo Urban does it give anything up in practical accuracy to my Compatto or Bantam? No. But I prefer the more refine feel and overall quality of the Brococks. There are myriad reasons why people would spend more on any given products. I could have stayed with only the Urban, but I wanted more...

 

[1911matt]

@1911matt, most of the good inexpensive PCPs, yours being an example will shoot really good in the right hands. What you get when you spend more is not just about accuracy alone. I still like my Gamo Urban does it give anything up in practical accuracy to my Compatto or Bantam? No. But I prefer the more refine feel and overall quality of the Brococks. There are myriad reasons why people would spend more on any given products. I could have stayed with only the Urban, but I wanted more...

I have my eye on a Daystate Bullpup. But I really want to see how far I can go with one of these. I have only 56 yards at home. Tomorrow I'm going to the inlaws. I can stretch out to 200 there. I will eventually go for some real yardage. But the 23 fpe from the Fortitude won't do it. I'll need a better gun for that.

 

[L.Leon]

@1911matt, you’re on the right track. Wring out that Fortitude, it will help you figure out what you want in your next PCP. Good luck.

 

[Vetmx]

If that's your 50yrd group, you are done. Enjoy your gun,

 

[Yo]

You aren't missing anything. It is like driving cross country in an old Ford Tempo vs a Mercedes Benz. Both will get you there at the same time just fine but one is a much more refined experience.

And often times the Ford Tempo may be more reliable too... YO!

 

[Yo]

If that's your 50yrd group, you are done. Enjoy your gun,

Yea hard to beat that one! I'd really be disappointed if I spent 2k on a gun that couldn't beat that. YO!

 

[biohazardman]

You did great with that gun hard to beat that group even with an expensive gun. When you get a good barrel they really shoot! I have only had a couple of Crosman barrels that shot that well. Keepers they are for sure.

 

[Blejda]

Wow amazing accuracy from fortitude. It shows you don't have to spend 2k to have accurate air rifle and having fun.

 

[Guest]

You might be happier with that gun over a $2000 pellet gun. I would imagine I am going to have some expectations that a $2000 gun just can't live up to. I mean it's freakin $2000 LOL

Take the money you saved and spend it on hookers and cocaine... or other positive life experiences!

 

[Guest]

Take the money you saved and spend it on hookers and cocaine... or other positive life experiences!

Edited for brevity

+1 yo

 

[Enkey]

Hi Matt

If the only thing you have done is mount the scope and shoot that airgun it is worth a lot of money, it isn't normal to shoot like this without correcting the manufacturing defects, do you have a treasure?

Regards

Enkey 

 

[gendoc]

Take the money you saved and spend it on hookers and cocaine... or other positive life experiences!

Edited for brevity

+1 yo

+2 

 

[DanielL]

Great job and nice shooting.

First lets talk about the definition of quality because it means different things to different people. The best, simplest definition that captures that meaning is "quality is meeting the customers expectations." Those expectations can be related to convenience, looks, feel, sound, and a myriad of other things.

Cost vs. quality is always a diminishing curve. What that means is with each dollar more you spend you get smaller and smaller incremental improvements. This is exacerbated by the fact you " "expect" better quality when you spend more. When you spend $90,000 on a Porsche 911 you expect it to accelerate faster than a $20,000 Toyota Corolla.

The other thing to remember is everything has a basic function. That 911 isn't going to get you to work any more reliably than that Corolla.

For an airgun that basic function is hitting what you are aiming at. There are some other stuff, like having a quick second shot in case of a repeater but that is a feature and features start adding cost.

So what are some of the things you get when you pay more for an airgun? Here is a short list of some of the things people might pay more for...higher accuracy, trigger effort and crispness, shot count per fill, noise level, finish quality, magazine ease of loading, magazine capacity, ability to shoot at many power levels, ability to shoot many different projectiles, ability to shoot multiple calibers, ease of tuning, accuracy, robustness, weight, size, lower maintenance, reliability, and general looks.

To get to some of the things on that list you get into guns with adjustable two stage triggers, replaceable barrels, externally adjustable regulators and hammer springs.

That can get expensive fast.

Or you can be happy with a less expensive gun that shoots one or a few pellets accurately and reliably, but might need some tuning to reach it's full potential. Heck, for the price of some of the higher dollar guns you could have 4 less expensive guns each tuned for a different power level and/or caliber.

The choice is really yours and it's nice to have choices.

Good luck and again, nice work on that gun and nice shooting.

 

[markT]

What were some of the issues on the gun you fixed?