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Th3RealDBR

Th3RealDBR

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Apr 22, 2020
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In need of advice...

Between my self, my wife and my father. We now own 5 pcp air rifles, All bought with in the last 3 months. We have the bug....

My self i have the umarex gauntlet .25 and hatsan flash .25

Both have different fill ports

Im using this CHEAPO pump. HIRAM High Pressure Hand Pump https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RJR24X3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

1. Is there a quick connect system i can get that will work for both fill adapters? This is getting to be a pain and also taking it on and off it starting to ruin threads.

2. Currently all 5 air guns are being filled with this cheap pump, I need something better, that is a hand pump... This one is getting wore out fast! Recommendations? 

3. My father is 62 and sick of the hand pump, and wants an electric pump... something user friendly. I know they are expensive and u get what u pay for, but looking around 500$ max or cheaper if possible, and amazon.com? lol

4. A friend of mine has an few scuba tanks, he said i can have them, but they are probably out of date...Is it possible to have these rebuilt and is it worth it? 

5. What do people normally prefer when it comes to FILLING. This is my option, Hand pumping is fine, but after shooting 300 pellets and refilling 20 times, it starts to take the fun away from it (not real numbers just example) And between 3 people, shooting everyday, we shoot a LOT! I consider buying an electric pump for 500$, but then i see i can buy a good tank for 400$ and just get it refilled...Where? i have no idea but im sure i can find some where... What is better? whats better for a lot of use? is one safer? does one produce better or cleaner air? is one better for my guns compared to another style? Im so lost from the filling aspect. what i bought my cheap hand pump, i never knew i was going to get so into air pcp air guns.

Today, while pumping, i noticed a small air leak where i screw and unscrew the fill adapters, no issue, BUT, there was bubbles... Is this cheap pump, pumping water into my gun? no no that wont work... I certainly dont want to keep spending more and more on these guns to find out im rotting them from the inside out.

Sorry for this post being all crazy, im sure someone can make sense of it!
 
I really like AOA, i ordered 5 tins of diablo pellets from them, they arrived today only took 4 days! Got them for 17$ a tin compared to the first time i got pellets from amazon at 33$ a tin LOL ( didnt know any better) I did some searching with male bspp fittings. i THINK this is what i need, although probably a better quality! https://www.amazon.com/Fittings-Release-Coupler-Bayonet-Connectors/dp/B00HRLJGQO Thanks YO!
 
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1.) Yes, you just need the proper adapters for a quick disconnect on the probe to the female foster...imo



2) Electric pumps are great but the cheap ones absolutely require additional moisture removal (a proper filter is around 100$), so this cost goes up fast, and they are commonly very loud (especially the cheap ones) Buy a 2nd hand pump and alternate use between the two to keep them running cooler...I absolutely love pumping. The compressed air is stored energy, you either pay for the energy via electricity, or output energy via your own manliness, and I like putting MY energy into my rifle, but I am weird like that.



3) Walmart.com has yong hengs as well as amazon, but the price of these have gone up recently (from 250~ to 400~)...beware of fakes...



4) Most tanks have a 15-20 year life, and require hydro testing either every 3 or 5 years, so it depends on date of manufacture...I intend to use my tank well beyond its 'expiration' as I will be filling it myself.



5) Subjective/opinionated topic...I enjoy hand pumping, and think the real fun begins around 3200-3400 psi ;)


 
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I use a cheap chinese hand pump (was 42$~ on ebay but these prices have gone up a lot too, to the point its almost worth considering spending the extra couple hundred on an electric pump)



I would be waiting out any purchases on either pieces of equipment for the time being, the market may get worse, but its only a matter of time before something used comes up at a bargain of a price, or the market price calms down.



I haven't used my scuba tank once since getting my hand pump, and I am a lazy dude. Still have around 3600~ psi left in the scuba...
 
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The 1/4 inch fitting you linked to is incorrect and will not fit. Paintball fittings are 1/8th inch. You need one of this type/style of male quick disconnect foster fittings for each or your fill probes then everything will be plug and play. Which threaded end male/female and thread pitch will depend on the fill probe you are attaching it to.

https://www.pyramydair.com/a/Accessories/PCP_and_CO2_accs/PCP/Fittings_and_adapters/81

In the end you will likely end up with a compressor the Yong Heng's are the best inexpensive units available. Don't get the cheapest one it does not have the water separator. Don't forget the filter and for that mater you should be using a filter with your hand pump as well.
 
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Hi,

#4 - Scuba tanks. It depends where you are to some extent. I live in an area where dive shops are common. The dive shop I use does visual & hydro inspections on site. I was given several scuba tanks by friends (old & ratty) and it was $30/each for visual, hydro, and a fill. If you go to

https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/hazmat/pressure-vessels-approvals/cylinder-requalifiers

and look under RIN (cylinder requalifiers) you can search by zip code for folks that can recertify hpa cylinders. I'd put in a direct link but the system site has some maintenance going on right now. I was pleasantly surprised to find a requalifier only 10 miles from our home. With certified tanks you can go to dive shops and paintball folks for fills. Some smooth talking folks even buddy up to the local FD to get fills. I'd have to say my dive shop is at the lower cost end of the spectrum.

Many state (and correctly) that you don't get many 100% fills from a SCUBA tank (most are limited to 3000psi/200 bar). That being said you get a pile of partial fills for sure. Using breathable air is also good for the guns as it doesn't have moisture and contaminates. I've ended up with 4 scuba tanks ($125) and a pile of other hpa stuff to keep me busy.

Enjoy the hobby,

Nugria
 
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Na ovaj je način vrlo važno koju pumpu koristite jer nisu sve iste kvalitete. Na tržištu postoji nekoliko dobrih. Jedan od najboljih je zasigurno Hill Mk4 s filtrom. Sigurno ćete moći raditi bolje i sa boljom kvalitetom nego s jeftinijim modelima.
Ne bih ga preporučio jeftinije jer nisu svi na sigurnom. Mnogi se proizvode svugdje i zato imaju nisku cijenu, ali nemaju certifikate i nisu profesionalno provjereni.
Kvalitetne crpke provjeravaju se nekoliko puta jači pritisci i ako ih prođu onda dobivaju dozvolu dok jeftine nemaju i vrlo su opasne. Jedan je prijatelj teško ozlijedio nogu jeftinom pumpom jer je cijev iskočila pod pritiskom.
Nadalje, važno je kako raditi s pumpom. Mnogi korisnici isprazne spremnik do kraja, a zatim kreću od početka, što je vrlo teško i naporno. Najbolji način je punjenje puške. Mnogo je bolje i lakše ne isprazniti se do kraja, ali dobro je ne napuniti do kraja jer se brže puni, a ventili ne trpe. Mnogi to ne čine i zato ne žele ručnu pumpu već samo bocu.

Pa, možete koristiti pumpu, ali izgleda dobro kvalitete i nježno djeluje.

Pozdrav
 
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This way it is very important which pump you use because they are not all of the same quality. There are several good ones on the market. One of the best is certainly the Hill Mk4 with filter. You will certainly be able to work better and with better quality than with cheaper models.
I wouldn’t recommend it cheaper because not everyone is safe. Many are produced everywhere and therefore have a low price, but they do not have certifications and are not professionally verified.
Quality pumps are checked for several times stronger pressures and if they pass them then they get a permit while the cheap ones do not and are very dangerous. One friend severely injured his leg with a cheap pump because the hose popped out under pressure.
Furthermore, it is important how to work with the pump. Many users empty the tank to the end and then start from the beginning, which is very difficult and tiring. The best way is to load the rifle. It is much better and easier not to empty completely, but it is good not to fill it completely because it fills faster and the valves do not suffer. Many don’t do that and that’s why they don’t want a hand pump but just a bottle.

Well, you can use a pump, but it looks good quality and works gently.

Greeting
 
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Heads up avoid 1990 and earlier scuba tanks. 

There have been several instances of 1990 and earlier aluminum tanks exploding. exploding. 

As far as I know this is not a problem with steel tanks. I have a steel 72 that is still good from the 60s.



Link to article about aluminum tanks failing.

https://www.undercurrent.org/UCnow/dive_magazine/2000/AluminumTank200008.html
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The tanks that you are referring to did not fail because of age. They failed because they were made from a batch of substandard alloy. The serial numbers of all those tanks are on record and dive shops will check them before filling. If you have a steel tank from the 60s, then good for you. I assume that you know that they can legally only be filled to 2200 PSI.and need to be in test like any other bottles.
 
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@ackuric What hand pump do u prefer?

The more i read about these cheaper air compressors the more i dont want one. I might just end up sticking with the hand pump and getting a few scuba tanks when im feeling lazy
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You won't find much in the budget range that you noted other than the Yong Heng and the newer CX2 thing. Either something like that, continue to hand pump, or find a local shop/firestation that will fill a tank. I've used a Yong Heng with success as have quite a few others. Hand pumping might keep you in shape.
 
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Something to think about. If you buy a compressor you will shoot a lot more because it makes it easier and faster to air up your guns. Pumps take time and effort. Tanks - you are always thinking about when and where you have to go fill them, compressors you can use anytime you want. This is even more important when a shelter in place order is in effect. Lot of shooters are happy with their under $500 compressors. 4500 psi compressors are under stress whether you pay $500 or $2000 and will be subject to breakdowns. You just have to deal with it. I just spent $900 for my second compressor through Amazon and purchased their 4 year warranty. I had my first compressor for 3 1/2 years and put 260 hours on it. Nothing is perfect!
 
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