POI rest versus bucket and sticks versus bipod

JimD

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I decided to practice a bit yesterday shooting first at my metal swinging targets and later at a target. I was on my back porch making the targets about 25 yards away. I was surprised when I was missing the biggest swinging target which is 2 inches in diameter. I sat down on a bucket and used a bipod rest which is not attached to the gun and was still missing. I found I had to aim high and then I consistently hit. So I shot at a target and the gun was shooting quite low. So I resighted from the bucket and sticks and then tried that offhand using a porch column for support. The supported off hand hit at the same point as the bucket and sticks.

Today I tried again from a bipod attached to the gun from a bench, again at 25 yards. I hit high by about 5/8 inch with two shots. Then I tried a front rest instead of the bipod and I was back impacting like I did from the bucket and sticks yesterday. I might need to give it a couple clicks right but it is now sighted in for hunting. It really was not before.

I attach the bipod on my P35s using a printed piece that slips over the air tube and is clamped in position when you tighten the clamp of the bipod. I modified the adapter slightly by epoxying a couple shims of toothpicks to minimize cant adjustment of the bipod. So now the adapter touches the shroud of the rifle. It does not push hard on the shroud but it is apparently transmitting hard enough to shift POI a bit. The shroud is supported by the air stripper which has an O-ring to link it to the shroud. So there is a load path.

I was surprised. Maybe I need to take my toothpick shims off and try it that way. But what I really needed to do was check my zero at a more field typical support than my benchrest. I've hunted with the gun this way a couple times but the squirrels were hiding so I've taken no shots at game this way.

The two high shots on the attached picture are with the attached bipod. The three lower ones are with the gun on a unattached front rest.

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I agree. With the much, much lower recoil I think my PCPs are much less sensitive than my PBs but it is still the same issue. I just got back into town and tested my bipod setup but without the toothpick pieces I added. As I thought, with the adapter for the bipod off the shroud, the gun on the bipod shoots like the gun on the rest or on sticks or supported standing. The issue was my modification of the bipod adapter that caused it to contact the shroud. Not hard, but apparently hard enough for a small POI impact.

So there may be no general applicability of my observation but I think it is still a good thing to check. A few shots off a field position could reveal a difference in a gun sighted from a bipod or rest.
 
Even though I use an improvised rest for nearly all of my shots (I don't own a bipod, tripod or any manufactured "rest"), I have found that breath control has more to do with my accuracy than anything else.

Holding my breath seems to increase inaccuracy, while shooting either as I exhale or when I have completely exhaled seems to work best for me. YMMV
 
@JimD I really appreciate this post. I too have noticed that my POI is different when shooting from a table and stationary shooting rest as opposed to shooting off of a tripod or bipod. I hadn’t made the connection that you articulated in your initial post, but I have zeroed scopes on guns off of a tripod or from a prone position that I had anticipated using for hunting. After giving it a little more thought I wonder if doing so factors in some of my flaws or shooting habits (cant, posture, foot position, holds, cheek weld, breathing, etc) in the field this enabling me to achieve the desired POI because I am probably consistently repeating very similar steps in the field.

Something that I’ve noticed is that I find myself shooting low off of the bipod and sometimes the tripod if I don’t pay attention to my position when I shoulder the rifle to take aim. I catch myself leaning into the rifle sometimes trying to track an animal. I like to be mindful of this because leaning or moving with them often takes me off balance which affects my follow through and multi Marley my POI. I was searching to see what others had to say about this and found your thread. Thanks for giving me more aspects to consider.