Permission Rant

[S97]

Things the landowner should tell you before you drive an hour:

"After you were out last time & killed dozens of sage rats, I started poisoning and trapping."

Zero rats and 2hrs round trip.

 

[Alderman]

I wouldn’t think a landowner owes a permission holder anything. Perhaps if you stayed in touch you would know what was going on. 

 

[BackStop]

Things the landowner should tell you before you drive an hour:

"After you were out last time & killed dozens of sage rats, I started poisoning and trapping."

Zero rats and 2hrs round trip.

A quick *courtesy call* letting the owner know you were coming would have saved you the trip. You'll probably do that next time. (smile)

 

[S97]

Oh, I texted him night before to confirm. I never show up without permission. And scheduled the shoot a week prior.. All good. My fault for not asking for detailed intel. Next time I will.

 

[BackStop]

Oh, I texted him night before to confirm. I never show up without permission. And scheduled the shoot a week prior.. All good. My fault for not asking for detailed intel. Next time I will.

Well, I stand corrected. But don't fault the owner for taking steps to eradicate a pest problem without letting you know. However, this is something for others who shoot pests on *permissions* to keep in mind and maybe ask about if the distance is great to the permission.

Better luck next time! (smile)

 

[10mikemike]

I'm going to have to agree with S97, the landowner should have informed him that he took steps to eradicate the rats if they had something previously planned out. In all fairness, it was most likely a simple oversight. That being said, courtesy goes both ways. 

 

[Glenroiland]

I'm going to have to agree with S97, the landowner should have informed him that he took steps to eradicate the rats if they had something previously planned out. In all fairness, it was most likely a simple oversight. That being said, courtesy goes both ways.

Yup

 

[BackStop]

I'm going to have to agree with S97, the landowner should have informed him that he took steps to eradicate the rats if they had something previously planned out. In all fairness, it was most likely a simple oversight. That being said, courtesy goes both ways.

I guess it depends on the type of permission agreement. Obviously, the owner has a pest problem. However, because the pester (S97) is not being paid to eradicate the pest, the *permission* is a courtesy of and by the owner. Yes, the pester is doing a service, but I doubt any airgun pester ever eradicates the pests.

So, I have to disagree here. Pesters (myself included although I only pest in my own backyard) like killing pests and without pest targets, at least for me since I don't plink or shoot targets for fun, we pesters have a dilemma. Some people seek out *permissions* so as to have pests to shoot. Given that the airgunner is MUCH less than likely to eradicate the pest problem, the owner of the permission is really doing the pester (airgunner) a favor by providing the "targets" and range for free.

Anyway, yes, courtesy works both ways, but IMHO, the owner deserves the MOST courtesy because without them you would have nothing and nowhere to shoot.

JMHO and no, I have never shot pests on a *permission* unless you want to count my former neighbor who allowed me to shoot over his (he rented actually) property.

So, IMHO, the owner owes the pester nothing. The pester owes the owner everything.

 

[GBGUNNER]

The land owner was rude not to inform his pest eradicator he was no longer needed. The pest control was considerate and courteous and pleasant. Our society has some basic manors we use to avoid unnecessary costing others time and money. You doctor and dentist often charge for late cancellations. the landowner was duly notified, no he wasn't required to notified the pest controller but he certainly is inconsiderate and RUDE.

 

[Glenroiland]

The land owner was rude not to inform his pest eradicator he was no longer needed. The pest control was considerate and courteous and pleasant. Our society has some basic manors we use to avoid unnecessary costing others time and money. You doctor and dentist often charge for late cancellations. the landowner was duly notified, no he wasn't required to notified the pest controller but he certainly is inconsiderate and RUDE.

Agreed the land owner should have notified him when he called...it's just common sense if you know you've gotten rid of the lions share of the problem. Leave it up to the aigunner to decide if he should make the trip or not.



Let him rant a little. It was wasted time.

 

[BackStop]

The land owner was rude not to inform his pest eradicator he was no longer needed. The pest control was considerate and courteous and pleasant. Our society has some basic manors we use to avoid unnecessary costing others time and money. You doctor and dentist often charge for late cancellations. the landowner was duly notified, no he wasn't required to notified the pest controller but he certainly is inconsiderate and RUDE.

Agreed the land owner should have notified him when he called...it's just common sense if you know you've gotten rid of the lions share of the problem. Leave it up to the aigunner to decide if he should make the trip or not.



Let him rant a little. It was wasted time.

Who sought out whom? Did the owner call the pester and ask for them to come and shoot?

Come on folks. This entitlement thinking is killing US(A).

 

[bambuino]

Count me as being extremely fortunate, and not trying to be snarky here. My permissions are with folks that pass my gate everyday. They drop me fruit and produce from their gardens and orchards. Lately it has been, "Wow! There's a lot fewer pigs around here! *wink*". Or, "You come shoot more pigeons? They spreading the nutgrass." 

 

[Glenroiland]

The land owner was rude not to inform his pest eradicator he was no longer needed. The pest control was considerate and courteous and pleasant. Our society has some basic manors we use to avoid unnecessary costing others time and money. You doctor and dentist often charge for late cancellations. the landowner was duly notified, no he wasn't required to notified the pest controller but he certainly is inconsiderate and RUDE.

Agreed the land owner should have notified him when he called...it's just common sense if you know you've gotten rid of the lions share of the problem. Leave it up to the aigunner to decide if he should make the trip or not.



Let him rant a little. It was wasted time.

Who sought out whom? Did the owner call the pester and ask for them to come and shoot?

Come on folks. This entitlement thinking is killing US(A).

Trust me, no entitlement in this camp at all.



Just saying let him rant a little. If I had someone coming here to pest, and I knew my bait wasn't being touched, I'd give him the heads up. Just a little decent courtesy. No bug deal that he didn't tell him, but decent courtesy dictates it would have been logical to give him the heads up.

 

[BackStop]

The land owner was rude not to inform his pest eradicator he was no longer needed. The pest control was considerate and courteous and pleasant. Our society has some basic manors we use to avoid unnecessary costing others time and money. You doctor and dentist often charge for late cancellations. the landowner was duly notified, no he wasn't required to notified the pest controller but he certainly is inconsiderate and RUDE.

Agreed the land owner should have notified him when he called...it's just common sense if you know you've gotten rid of the lions share of the problem. Leave it up to the aigunner to decide if he should make the trip or not.



Let him rant a little. It was wasted time.

Who sought out whom? Did the owner call the pester and ask for them to come and shoot?

Come on folks. This entitlement thinking is killing US(A).

Trust me, no entitlement in this camp at all.



Just saying let him rant a little. If I had someone coming here to pest, and I knew my bait wasn't being touched, I'd give him the heads up. Just a little decent courtesy. No bug deal that he didn't tell him, but decent courtesy dictates it would have been logical to give him the heads up.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. (smile)

Cigar is another Montecristo Platinum Toro... (chuckle)

 

[Max115]

Maybe I will chime in with my opinion on this since I have the privileges to shoot at some of my permissions.

First of all it is tough to swallow when you get "skunked" and wasted the time in travel: so a bit of ranting is alright.

I agree with BackStop that the farmer need not to apologize nor inform the pester about the poisoning. Farmers worked ridiculous long hours each and every day, morning till dawn, and I am sure he was too busy to give the heads up or he may have just forgotten. After all, his priority is to run his farm and with whatever means to control the pest problem he has.

I have been shooting at a peasant farm since November of last year where the farmer also uses poison to control the rats population. The rat population has diminished substantially since I have been there regularly at the beginning and I haven't been needed back for over 2 months. In fact, I was there last weekend and got skunked.

I always text the farmer the day before and ask for permission to shoot before I show up. Just a courtesy from my end. He often replied but not always as he was always busy. So he just told me to come without needing to wait for his text for approval. I have gained his trust and confidence that I am helping him out with the free service to dispatch these rodents successfully. I have to drive 45 mins to reach his farm and knowing that the rats number has declined, I never expect to get many especially as of late. But I was still happy to make the drive and glad to have this permission where I can play.

So my thought is this. Unless you are getting paid for the service, just be happy to be out there at locations where you can have some target practice. Cheers.

 

[harrymoreland]

Look on the bright side.

The Rats will be back.

 

[Glenroiland]

The land owner was rude not to inform his pest eradicator he was no longer needed. The pest control was considerate and courteous and pleasant. Our society has some basic manors we use to avoid unnecessary costing others time and money. You doctor and dentist often charge for late cancellations. the landowner was duly notified, no he wasn't required to notified the pest controller but he certainly is inconsiderate and RUDE.

Agreed the land owner should have notified him when he called...it's just common sense if you know you've gotten rid of the lions share of the problem. Leave it up to the aigunner to decide if he should make the trip or not.



Let him rant a little. It was wasted time.

Who sought out whom? Did the owner call the pester and ask for them to come and shoot?

Come on folks. This entitlement thinking is killing US(A).

Trust me, no entitlement in this camp at all.



Just saying let him rant a little. If I had someone coming here to pest, and I knew my bait wasn't being touched, I'd give him the heads up. Just a little decent courtesy. No bug deal that he didn't tell him, but decent courtesy dictates it would have been logical to give him the heads up.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. (smile)

Cigar is another Montecristo Platinum Toro... (chuckle)

Agreed. I have no horse in the race, and of course I've always had positive interactions with you!

To be clear...I don't think the permission has the "OBLIGATION" to tell you they've cleared the problem. Maybe they don't even know the problem is cleared to begin with, and in the "rat race " you almost never win anyway. It's a constant battle against those annoying buggers so the permission probably assumes they'll still be some critters to shoot.



Just saying that I get his frustration with losing the time to travel.

In the end, it's nobodies fault, just annoying.



How was the smoke?

 

[Gabpan]

If you were the type to pest control and then fry em up battered for good eating this could have been a serious issue imo. Poison they eat you would be eating as well by proxy.

 

[kball]

Just me thinking here but if the land owner knew you had trashed him on this forum like this he would probably never ever consider letting you (or anyone else with an air rifle) step foot on his property again. (I would not). The farmer has a business to run, asking your permission to poison rats probably ain't on his to do list.

 

[Glenroiland]

Just me thinking here but if the land owner knew you had trashed him on this forum like this he would probably never ever consider letting you (or anyone else with an air rifle) step foot on his property again. (I would not). The farmer has a business to run, asking your permission to poison rats probably ain't on his to do list.

True. They may take offense!

Thankfully he didn't say too much. But your point is solid.