Pcp tuning advice

Hi guys just wondering if anyone has done any how to video, of themselves tuning a pcp. Has I am trying to find out the best way to tune my Jkhan Noblesse fitted with a huma reg. Has I have never tuned a pcp before and my local gun store in the UK will not touch my rifle, has I didn't purchase from him. Also has its also had a huma reg fitted. So would like a step by step guide on how to get the best power and shot to shot consistency out of my rifle. Any help would be much appreciated from any pcp tuner thx. 
 
Hey Hutty,

The application of the basics is what you are after. These basics require mechanical aptitude, if you are not mechanically inclined, leave it to a gunsmith or tuner as you can easily muck up a perfectly good rifle or worse hurt someone. Remember that there are three variables that govern what and how we do things, these variables are Time, Money and Quality. Of these three, select two and know that the remaining variable is what will be required to make selected two variables happen. Example: Hutty wants Top Quality at a Good Price he will be required to invest lots of time to get it. Another example: Hutty wants Best price and wants it fast, plan on paying lots of money for the experience. 

Material types need to be understood in order to have a low friction interface and some manufacturers use materials that do not lend themselves to be worked to such close tolerances without losing the overall dimension of the product. Case in point, there is a part that is a cast part when interfaces with a bore port, you sand and polish the cast part so it is smooth as glass but now when it is introduced back into the bore port the two parts are sloppy because the manufacturer used the cast seam as part of the overall fit of the cast part. The proper technique was applied but because the base material and engineering used Time and Money variables in production, the Quality of the part suffered.

The basics which have to do with metal working, tolerances, material types, pressures, viscosity, inertia, expansion, contraction and applied physics all sound complicated but so does assembling an IKEA product for the first time.These basics can be applied to any rifle (pretty much) without any expensive tooling. I am not familiar with any video of the basics because typically any video I have seen speak specifically to the weapon being showcased. I would do a GOOGLE search for a step by step to tuning any rifle as these smithing variables can be applied from powder burners to PCP's for the most part.

Be sure that you are properly defining what it is that you are after. Extreme accuracy or extreme power or a fair balance of both. Being that you are in the UK are you trying to stay under the 12FPE rule? If so that makes your quest so much easier because you can simply concentrate on accuracy. The basic rules that you need to apply when tuning a rifle is to measure, measure, measure. You can not fix what you can not identify and if you do not lay down a solid baseline you will never know how close or far off the intended mark you are (pardon the pun). Shoot every pellet you can in 5 shot groups and keep all the hole punched paper for comparisons after your tweaks.

Measure shots strings, FPE for the entire air volume by shooting the rifle until you are off the reg and chart all the data, measure trigger pull weight, measure weight of rifle, inspect and photograph barrel crown, transfer ports, guides and openings, photo graph as much as you can and save all this information as baseline. Next get an exploded parts view of the rifle. De-gas the rifle and begin to take the rifle apart. While taking it apart you are looking for any opportunities to reduce friction between parts. You are looking to debur any sharp edges with a file to eliminate unnecessary wear and tear and friction caused by poorly made parts. Cast parts need to have the casting seam sanded off, openings need to be chamfered, surfaces need to be polished. For instance, the more surface area an object has the important it is that the surfaces be mirror like smooth. Typically cocking bolts, hammers and other "in a port type" mechanical interfaces will require polishing. You can look online for polishing of rifle surfaces sometimes referred to as lapping. Most of these basic techniques can be learned individually to support that portion of the tune, once you know that portion move to the next.

Check the barrel crown, again plenty of videos that talk about crowning yours may be absolutely fine. Trigger work, this is where you can make the most mistakes and possibly create a dangerous rifle. If you do not learn the basics of trigger mechanics you can certainly modify the wrong plane and then you have a weapon that can discharge unexpectedly. If you have not picked up on it yet, I am telling you that there will not be an path for you to understand all the variables associated with tuning a rifle. I have listed some of the things that are required to be evaluated in a good tune but this is not all of them. Fit and finish of two parts is key, the more smooth to parts interact, the better, this tweaking and tuning of the parts is a delicate balance and can easily be botched.

So all this said, what I am trying to impart on you is, take it slow and learn the process steps individually first, then apply them to a test rifle, not your pride and joy so you can learn the processed applied. I know you asked for a video to walk you through all the steps and this response the exact opposite of that but it is important that it be said rather than ignored and in turn a person gets injured or worst killed trying to learn without SOME guidance.

Good luck
Hajimoto

 
Yes guys I have a crono I also have fitted a huma reg to my Noblesse and I have technical know how I have changed my own seals and fitted regulators but have never done a proper tune just left it all factory. That is why I would like to learn like I said the gun shops in my city will not touch a modded air rifle if it didn't come factory with a reg stupid I know so would really like to get the most out of the rifle and huma reg thx for the reply guys hope you carry on thx. 
 
My rifle has never been tuned from factory plus I have fitted a huma reg I polished the hammer and sear but I know I could get he'll of alot more out of the rifle if I had instruction from someone what has tuned alot of pcp, s or is a proffesional tuner. Like you guys will know you can get he'll of a lot more out of a tuned pcp with huma reg than a factory rifle. So I hope you guys can help thx. 
 
To sirk all the Robert Lane videos is how to setup his reg and none of his videos shows you step by step ways to get the best consistency between the reg and rifle all is videos are problem solving if anything goes wrong how to change the reg pressure how to install nothing how to get them both working in unison or if you have to have one with more adjustment than the other. 
 
"MddogHutty"I would like a tuner or professional to give me a step by step guide how to tune a pcp properly. With easy instruction on how to achieve this without having to keep looking through ours of video getting told one thing and then contradicted in another video. So any help of anyone that knows what there doing will be invaluable to me.
Confused..............
<Hajimoto shrugs and walks away>
 
So you are looking for a tuning class and or instruction by a pro? That would seem a bit costly as it's a very very very niche market. Not impossible though as I'm sure for enough money most pro tuners would be happy to teach you one on one. Otherwise you are stuck like the rest of us working our way through it with the advice of a trusted forum or group. Most of us who home tune have had to learn it in a trial by fire and while it may seem costly understanding that a properly tuned gun is a gun well balance between input pressure, plenum volume valve spring rate, valve dimensions/volume, transfer port diameter, hammer weight and hammer spring weight. This sort of balance takes time to learn and while it can be taught over the interweb is a far easier thing to do in person. While it would be nice to have a class taught online you have to remember how dangerous these guns can be and in our liable society teaching/instructing others how to work on them with a tutorial could and would lead to law suits after a catastrophic failure.

Likely not the answer you want but it's the most logical as I see. I certainly wouldn't want to be directly responsible for a valve body or pressure tube failure because I forgot to tell you what type of screw to use or the minimum thickness of machined part. Would you?

All this is not to say you can't get help here or on another forum as there are those willing. For detailed tuning instructions you should go to the GTA forum under the PCP section and post about whatever gun you want to tune and your plans for it. Heck you can do that here. Of course if you want detailed instruction we will need to know what gun /brand you are working on as each design varies enough that simply overall knowledge of how a pcp works won't be enough.
 
Sounds like you want a step by step video and may not find it. You did get excellent advice above but sometimes the expert advise is over one's head. Personally I like still pohoto's.

"General" tuning after a reg install video's "I" would try surfing up Benjamin Marauder regulator tuning video's.

Many people at home simply install ( ed ) regulators in them however that ONLY gives an even shots spread.
The marauder greatly binifits from things like, lightening the striker/hammer . spring weight/length changes, transfer and or valve ports, valve spring changes. You wll be able to find videos on tuning them then just use whatever you have to apply the principals to your project.
Right?

John
 
To John in ma and spysir yes I am looking for instruction but I know that not all the pros out there who have learnt this themselves that knowledge was either self taught or was passed on. Not everything has to do with money if knowledge isn't passed on to the younger generations that is how these things are losses in the gaps. I'm sure the guys out there don't want that too happen I know I don't. I am not asking to do this to get more power out of my rifle I can do that by putting a heavier spring in and doing a transfer port job. I want someone who knows how to correctly tell me how I can get the precise adjustment between the hammer spring and huma reg for shot count, flatter trajectory pellet on pellet consistency. So both parts in my rifle are working in unison has I have shot a tuned rifle and compared it to mine there where no comparison. So that is why I wish for a tuner to pass the knowledge on if there where a tuner in the UK I could get in contact with I would even offer my services to be an apprentice for him for free that is how passionate I am about air files. It's just impossible to get any text book or videos on the matter of correctly tuning pops. I hope this explains why I am interested thx. 
 
Also guys has you may know when your running a sub 12ftlb rifle it is a lot more important to have that unison between the rifle and regulator. Has you get a lot more wind instability with the rise and fall in power between shots that's why it's paramount to tune the rifle to the most accurate shot to shot consistency and extreme spread. 
 
When I finished tuning my S500 FAC for 11.5fpe I was able to get 170 regulated shots, with another 30 off reg but within the spread(8fps, sd of 1.88). I know a good deal about dealing with 12fpe so that's not an issue. I do get were you are coming from as I was looking for the same thing when I got into PCP's. In America we are so spread out that most folks don't live any were close enough for face to face instruction. Anyways good luck in your quest and while waiting for your apprenticeship try some of the things you've read about to see how it all works together.
 
MddogHutty, I am not sure if you are up to the job because you are rushing into this, from what i can see/read here, you should just slow down. A tune from scratch will take a few weekends if you are a beginner, or you will give up early. Easy to happen that you end up going in circles hunting your tail. It is quite a bit of a challenge and the process can be very frustrating, if you figure it out by doing, you will get to know your gun and gain experience.

Have you watched the Lane videos, those are step by step guide, there is nothing better out there to be honest. Not sure what else you want. They deal with a particular make of pcp, but all work the same way with the knock open valve.

Be very careful with compressed air. Also there is a good chance that you will put some scratches on the gun or even can damage it by doing it. So might be better leaving it to professionals(they can still put scratches on your gun though) LOL

Is there any JKhan dedicated forum out there? It is possible there may be some peculiarities of that make/model so you better talk to someone with a knowledge of the particularo model. I would try to search for more info and make sure you understand it before you continue.
Good luck
 
Hi sirk that's one thing I'm not doing is rushing into it sirk. I'm not even going to attempt doing any work on my rifle until I know exactly what to do. When installing the huma reg I set that at 120 - 140, polished the hammer and and cleaned out the cylinder. I just need to learn how to get the perfect setting between the 2 and if there is anything else I need to do to the rifle to get the perfect setting for consistency and shot count. That is the whole purpose just want to know what else to do to complete this task. Thx for the replys hope I hear back thank you.