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All the cool new PCP's. Will they ever appreciate in value like vintage springers and brands like Crosman, Daisy, Benjamin, Sheridan, etc. do or just become obsolete and forgotten? Will parts be available long term from so many small manufacturers to maintain a vintage one? IDTS

Rhetorically, what is my very nice Daystate LR90 worth now? Walnut stock and match trigger options. With the original box. Probably much less than I paid for it.

Unlike the springers I bought in the same era. They're all now worth much more than I paid then.

Why?
 
I grew up in the 90s with mulit pump airgun as a kid. Then came break barrel and it was way easier and quicker to shoot instead of having to pump 10 times every time. Then in 2010 when the marauder came up. Switched to pcp and never look back. Still own my multi pump and break barrels. But when I go shooting/hunting I grab my pcp. 

It is like VCR and DVD and then into Blueray. Or like those old square TV back in the days, then into flat screen HD, now 4K. Mulit pump and break barrel will only be worth so much when everyone is into pcp. As for parts, manufacturers will stop producing parts for old forgotten guns. Why would they waste money investing on parts for vintage guns when like only 1 or 2 guys out there needs it.
 
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All the cool new PCP's. Will they ever appreciate in value like vintage springers and brands like Crosman, Daisy, Benjamin, Sheridan, etc. do or just become obsolete and forgotten? Will parts be available long term from so many small manufacturers to maintain a vintage one? IDTS

Rhetorically, what is my very nice Daystate LR90 worth now? Walnut stock and match trigger options. With the original box. Probably much less than I paid for it.

Unlike the springers I bought in the same era. They're all now worth much more than I paid then.

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Inflation, most likely.
 
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I grew up in the 90s with mulit pump airgun as a kid. Then came break barrel and it was way easier and quicker to shoot instead of having to pump 10 times every time. Then in 2010 when the marauder came up. Switched to pcp and never look back. Still own my multi pump and break barrels. But when I go shooting/hunting I grab my pcp. 

It is like VCR and DVD and then into Blueray. Or like those old square TV back in the days, then into flat screen HD, now 4K. Mulit pump and break barrel will only be worth so much when everyone is into pcp. As for parts, manufacturers will stop producing parts for old forgotten guns. Why would they waste money investing on parts for vintage guns when like only 1 or 2 guys out there needs it.
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Very good points, sir.

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i wouldnt mind having high end springers i just would never spend money on one when i could get another pcp or ammo or scopes or anything actually useful lol .. as far as guns becoming more valuable things can be fickle in the nostalgia market but i bet in 50 75years an old benjamin crosman marauder in perfect condition is worth more than an expensive euro-wonder gun from the same period .. hell, i looked up some guns from my younger days that werent all that expensive back then, like an old remington 6mm short barrel and winchester lever 22mag .. people want 'thousands' for those couple hundred dollar guns now ...
 
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Funny how PCP guys think nobody wants a springer anymore. While the entire sport is expanding.
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I agree. I think it's just a sign of the times. Could be wrong, but in the daze of instant gratification, most folks don't want to put in the time and effort it takes to shoot a springer well.

Also, pretty sure you aren't a spring chicken, neither am I - but we have a different perspective, and I would venture to bet that quite a few AGN members didn't grow up shooting ANYTHING - and years later discovered the forums, and then 3 months after that they own a Impact.

To each his own, but I favor my perspective and experience over theirs.
 
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I really don’t know where you got your data from, but almost every PCP person I know owns at least one springer. I have three in addition to all my PCP weapons. My latest acquisition was an HW 90. I enjoy shooting my Springers as much as I do my PCPs. I think you’ll find that there are plenty of PCP owners that will agree with me. Again where did you collect your data to make the statement that you make about PCP owners not caring about Springers? It must be PIFMA Data.
 
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There’s a few different factors that make something appreciate in value. A combination of rarity, popularity, and nostalgia are the main ones. 
I can’t think of any PCPs that have appreciated in value. Besides the pre-20th century PCPs; The modern ones have been around for almost 5 decades, more than enough time for it to appreciate in value. The only PCPs that I have seen maintain their value are the Eunjin Sumatra’s. However I do see old springers and pumpers that have appreciated in value.

One thing about an old pcp vs an old springer: you buy an old pcp you can be almost certain the seals are bad and need replacing. On the other hand, there’s a good chance an old springer will still be able to shoot. For example, I bought an early 90s Diana 48. The stock was dinged up, bluing was discolored in some spots, but guess what? It still worked and worked damn well. A lot of guys don’t care to open up a gun and have to guess what size o rings they need to order for said gun. Where as they’re still making replacement spring for that old Diana. 


*Adding yo what charlieF said: 

I started out as a PCP guy but slowly came around to owning quality springers the more I read about them. I own a John in PA tuned RWS 54 and enjoy shooting it as much as my PCPs. 
 
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I really don’t know where you got your data from, but almost every PCP person I know owns at least one springer. I have three in addition to all my PCP weapons. My latest acquisition was an HW 90. I enjoy shooting my Springers as much as I do my PCPs. I think you’ll find that there are plenty of PCP owners that will agree with me. Again where did you collect your data to make the statement that you make about PCP owners not caring about Springers? It must be PIFMA Data.
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PIFMA guy, I should have said some PCP guys. I have PCP's too.
 
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Do the rapids sell for more than what they originally sold for? I’ve seen plenty of well made guns sell for much less than their original price. Like the MAC 1 USFT that’s up for sale on the classifieds. Or the old school FX rifles that pop up for less than they sold for. Unfortunately well made doesn’t guarantee that something will appreciate in value
 
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Even if a gun appreciates in value, it would be a rare sight to see it truly appreciate considering inflation. If you bought a Benjamin 137 in 1965 for $50 it’s the equivalent of buying a $450 marauder today. So unless the gun’s rate of appreciation out paces inflation, you’re still losing. It’s just a perceived increase because the total amount is higher than what was paid for it. 

I could care less about my guns appreciating in value over the next 20-30 years. I buy them to enjoy them. Thinking about appreciation takes the fun out of it
 
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MY adult Air gun acquisition's in order .

1377 pistol , then upgrading parts 1990

Gauntlet .177 first issue when it came on the market ?

Morini 165E pistol 2018

old springer ,Winchester 800 (saved from a guy at the dump .)

Daystate Pulsar .177 2020

HW97k .177 2021

FWB 600 , .177 in shipping to me as i post this .

P.S. My wife always said i do things a$$ backwards ? ) I think not . Fascinated with springers


 
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