PCP Compressor

i am sharing these two pics of compressors, one is for PCP and other is often seen on tyre shops. in my country the tyre compressor is about 100 USD, while this 12v small pcp compressor is 400 USD. the cylinder and build quality on 100 USD is impressive, but still it is only capable of producing 120 PSI max. Why? and How? can we do something with this 100 USD compressor to work for PCP.

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And probably fatal.

Not to mention that NO part of that construction would be rated for, nor with stand, 3000 psi and up. DON'T EVEN TRY!

this 12volt, i have seen, have filled a pcp upto 200 bar in 15 minutes.. i dont have significant knowledge on this, thats why i am surprised that how come this little dude can fill HPA and the big one cant. is it pistons?, quality of the material (gauge etc?), some special part that works for HPA?
 
Yes, you can use the 120 psi compressor to drive a Booster like the Shoebox or Altaros. In this way it will work for filling a PCP, but the booster might cost you another $500 US or so. 

By itself? No, not at all. And yes, the reason is exactly what you think. The larger compressor is built to withstand low pressure at higher volumes. The smaller one is overbuilt with parts that can withstand that kind of pressure. Everything is thicker & stronger, but smaller. 
 
The way I look at it neither of the compressors in the pic are any good. The 120psi unit is just what it states a 120psi unit and not good for anything else. Why? Because that is what it is made for. The 4500psi unit is not made for longevity and will only be able to run for a very limited amount of time before it overheats. So is good only to fill guns or the tiniest of tanks for what I expect will be a short life cycle.
 
this 12volt, i have seen, have filled a pcp upto 200 bar in 15 minutes.. i dont have significant knowledge on this, thats why i am surprised that how come this little dude can fill HPA and the big one cant. is it pistons?, quality of the material (gauge etc?), some special part that works for HPA?

Yes, all of those reasons listed. The higher the pressure the more force is required to compress the air. The more work done results in heat build-up. HPA requires a specially engineered system. I suspect a 100 PSI compressor would seize the motor at HPA pressure levels. Additionally consider the CFM of air flow and the vast differences between CFM in a mid-level HPA compressor and their lower-pressure counterpart.

Welcome to the hobby, it's expensive :) If one of these $100 LPA systems were the magical fix we'd have jumped all over it now. The mid-grade compressor market is heavily focused on. Maybe try one of those $250 Hatsan Spark clones?
 
 PLEASE read all of this, I know I'm always harping on safety. We have had a few injuries reported in the forum by honest caring individuals. High pressure air is dangerous to life and limb, To get the performance of a shop compressor like 10 or 20 cfm at 90 psi takes about a 5hp motor and often a 2 stage compressor . Sealing large pistons well enough to be able to hold 4500 psi is difficult at best. 4500 psi requires a lot of power, cooling, and high quality steel to build a 4500psi compressor to be able to preform like a cheap Chinese $100 shop compressor. The shoe box pistons are about 1/8 for 1st stage and smaller for the 2nd stage (boosting psi to 4500). I think the motor on my shoe box is 1/2 horsepower and has a reduction pulley system to allow the motor to handle the load. I'm sure someone somewhere makes a large piston compressor for 5000 psi, It would probably be dangerous to fill gun tanks with, to quick and dangerous to stop from over filling. A large tank would be necessary to fill 1st, they are not cheap, plus a valve and gauge and hose all rated for more than 4500 psi. The compressor would have to be extreme tough and require a large gear reduction and high horse power motor in order to with stand the heat and stress on the compressor generated by compressing air to 4500 psi. It would not be easily transported due to weight etc. The amount of force to compress air to 4500 psi is very large so the smaller pistons, higher grade everything - seals. pistons. cylinders etc are necessary to generate high pressures. Till the demand of pcp air guns came along no one engineered a small compressor to do the job. Look at scuba compressors, most are only 3000psi. The industry has come up with " hobby" compressors for air gunners cause there is a demand and people to generate enough sales to make a profit. Price, weight, size, safety, dictate these compressors. Just remember people have been killed by 300psi steam leaks so small they can't be seen or heard because high pressure steam is invisible, there is no water vapor in it and pin hole leaks don't make noise they just cut off body parts so fast it doesn't give the body time to hurt till it's to late. They look for them with straw brooms waved in front of the person. When the straw was suddenly cut off the broom they found the vicinity of the leak. Pin hole leaks in high pressure air systems are serious. My father demonstrated what a high pressure leak is capable of with the straw broom. Buy quality! Buy safety and be safe and always vent fill lines before uncoupling your fitting from the gun or tank. Our hobby is relatively safe. There is a potential for injury, more so then owning, storing and using live ammunition and fire arms. I have always been impressed with Joe Brancato and his air tanks, micro bore hoses, gauges, valves, fittings, Regulators, fill valves designed to not fill to fast, adaptors and hose assemblies.He is an engineer who knows if it a paint ball air system component or one safe enough for our use. He has expanded his business to air rifles and accessories. Buy good gauges look closely at them and remember the pressure you read so you can tell if there is a leak, listen, if you are concerned use a sheet of newspaper or note book paper and slowly use it to check for a high pressure leak. We used to carry .22 ammo and larger calibers in our pockets, my father learned it in WWII when ammo was more important then water. We don't carry live ammo like that anymore.
 
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