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[MadCowCrazy2]

The TPP wasn't enacted in the US. MFN status from China hurt US manufacturing. Some manufacturers are returning production to the US due to cheaper energy and labor costs relative to other countries, and higher shipping costs.

Oh? I thought the TPP made it so that china could export to the US for cheaper than US businesses could ship within the country? On top of this the cheap labour in China made it so that if you didn't have your products made in China then you couldn't compete with the businesses that did? Cheap labour and import from China was what I thought the TPP was?

 

[Trucker3573]

It might be because corporate America sucks the teet of we all know exactly who …..

 

[Treefrog]

Interesting topic. There is a lot of good input here.

I have to agree with the OP. It behooves us all to be better customers.

I recall hearing Walter Williams discussing the number of people involved with growing/importing/shipping/stocking a banana here in the U.S. That number is in the millions if you consider all the people involved in the manufacturing and use of the supplies and equipment necessary. That's why shipping rates are what they are. (If people would work for nothing, then everything would be cheap, right?)

When inflation eases and the price of diesel fuel falls, shipping will cost less. In order for that to happen, we have to elect better management for our country.

J~

 

[Nordic Norm]

While I agree with most of this, I don’t agree with all. There ARE some out there that think they can overcharge a customer for a product and get away with it by putting their own name on a product. Or those that take other companies ideas and copy it for profit. I won’t name anyone, but it does happen. These people need to be singled out, and called out to the masses in order to keep them in check. If manufacturers did this without being held accountable, this sport, or any sport. Would be even more expensive than it is already.

I agree. My own experience with the little compressors you refer to has been dismal. Outright piston failure on 3rd 250bar run. I've been investigating. None of the brand names rebranding these units will reveal who the manufacturer is. Not just the little cheapos, Ive inquired with several air gun companies who rebrand compressor as to who manufactures compressors that cost $1500 to 2000.-. They will not reveal the manufacturer. This is insane. Would you spend $1500-+ on a compressor not knowing the actual manufacturer? This is a reason I bought an Omega. Omega is ez to research. Nothing to hide.
This secrecy on compressor manufacturers is a rat in the woodpile. We are well aware of the cheapo compressor problem. I think the trick is to find the common denominator. The manufacturer of these must be hiding for ...who knows.... any guesses?

 

[Nordic Norm]

Partners? No, I disagree with that.

The people I hunt with are my partners. The people that I receive and share knowledge with here and else where are partners.

The businesses that I buy from and that generate profit from sales to me are not my partners. They are product and service providers and I am their customer. It is a transactional relationship for me just like with any other business that I deal with. Now if these were not-for-profit businesses that would be a different story. But far as I know, all of the air gun manufacturers are for-profit enterprises. And as such they will either earn my money to add to their profit or they will not.

You’ve taken a philosophical and transformational approach to the relationship that a customer has with a business. I see it as transactional only. Neither one of us is right or wrong in how we see the relationship. Just sharing my view point.

A good point of view if there is nefarious business happening. And there is. Try asking a rebrander who the actual manufacturer is.

 

[madeintheuk]

I agree. My own experience with the little compressors you refer to has been dismal. Outright piston failure on 3rd 250bar run. I've been investigating. None of the brand names rebranding these units will reveal who the manufacturer is. Not just the little cheapos, Ive inquired with several air gun companies who rebrand compressor as to who manufactures compressors that cost $1500 to 2000.-. They will not reveal the manufacturer. This is insane. Would you spend $1500-+ on a compressor not knowing the actual manufacturer? This is a reason I bought an Omega. Omega is ez to research. Nothing to hide.
This secrecy on compressor manufacturers is a rat in the woodpile. We are well aware of the cheapo compressor problem. I think the trick is to find the common denominator. The manufacturer of these must be hiding for ...who knows.... any guesses?

Oddly enough I’m not speaking of the compressors, but it still falls under the same issue.

 

[MadCowCrazy2]

I agree. My own experience with the little compressors you refer to has been dismal.

For me I've had better experience with Chinese alibaba/express sellers than large businesses. I assume the reason for this is because the sellers are much smaller and it's easy to get a refund so they are forced to try and help compared to large businesses who seem to think that if they ignore you enough you will simply give up.

It seems that the bigger a business gets the less they see you as a customer and you become just a number. I'm all for being a good customer but the only way that happens is with smaller businesses where you know and interact with the people who work there outside of the business. Like meeting them at the shooting range or other events. A business owner who is really passionate about what they do is whom I want to support, not someone who's just in it to make money or gotten tired of it but still do it because of obligation.

 

[Nordic Norm]

For me I've had better experience with Chinese alibaba/express sellers than large businesses. I assume the reason for this is because the sellers are much smaller and it's easy to get a refund so they are forced to try and help compared to large businesses who seem to think that if they ignore you enough you will simply give up.

It seems that the bigger a business gets the less they see you as a customer and you become just a number. I'm all for being a good customer but the only way that happens is with smaller businesses where you know and interact with the people who work there outside of the business. Like meeting them at the shooting range or other events. A business owner who is really passionate about what they do is whom I want to support, not someone who's just in it to make money or gotten tired of it but still do it because of obligation.

Well said. Check out my report on my Tuxing headaches in Industry feedback. It's good to hear positive about Alibaba. I have had great luck with Chinese motorcycle manufacturers, and ebike motor manufacturers, although I deal,with them directly.

 

[FarmPlinker]

Oh? I thought the TPP made it so that china could export to the US for cheaper than US businesses could ship within the country? On top of this the cheap labour in China made it so that if you didn't have your products made in China then you couldn't compete with the businesses that did? Cheap labour and import from China was what I thought the TPP was?

Trump withdrew US from TPP. And the TPP was originally set up as an anti-China measure, we would import from countries that don't like China.

 

[Smitty911]

A good point of view if there is nefarious business happening. And there is. Try asking a rebrander who the actual manufacturer is.

Nordic Norm,
If my business model is selling original design or cloned products to Distributors only and not have to deal with a huge client base, warranty issues, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. and all I have to do is change the Paint color on X amount of units every month, yes I'll make less money, but I have way less headaches. If the Manufacture doesn't want to deal with the public, that doesn't mean nefarious intent like you are claiming.

Go watch some YouTube videos of clients in McDonalds, Wendy's, Walmart, et al.

People who sell crap go out of business, it might take a while.

Smitty