Snowpeak P35X fpe limitations

I recently purchased a P35X in .177, primarily because of the added 65 cc plenum and the longer barrel. I purchased it from mundilar in Portugal so no power limitations.


However, I can’t get it to shoot faster than 860 fps with JSB Exact Heavy 10.34 grains even with the hammer spring fully adjusted.


I’ve also tested:


  • JSB Beast 16.20 gr = max 720 fps.
  • JSB Monster 13.43 gr max 776 fps.
  • JSB KnockOut Slugs in both 10.03 gr and 13.43 gr max fps = even less then the two pellets mentioned above.



  • I expected it to have around 29 fpe with the jsb beast 16.20 according to others reviews, but I'm close to half of that fpe, 18, 65 fpe / 720 fps when shooting the jsb beast. 16.20.


Has anyone experienced similar performance limitations – and found a solution?

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I don't own that rifle but I was researching it a little while back and I came across these specs on Krale. According to this chart, you're getting the advertised power. 25 joules = 18.4 fpe. View attachment 573812
That is a regular P35. The X has a much larger plenum
 
I don't own that rifle but I was researching it a little while back and I came across these specs on Krale. According to this chart, you're getting the advertised power. 25 joules = 18.4 fpe. View attachment 573812
No regulator ? My Stoeger Bullshark ( I thought was the same gun?) is regged & puts out way more (.22) velocity & oompf ! I've shot 18gr. pills over 915fps.
All w/ hammer spring adjustments. Current tune is 18.67 Rifle brand pellets @ 890-895fps.
 
Yours being the X version, with regulator and plenum, shouldn't / couldn't differ much power wise.
I would think there are very small transfer port and so on, hence the elusing power with both versions.
Hammer spring adjustment alone does very little, and may in some cases even bring the power down, let alone accuracy.

If You're new to pcp, please don't rush into things. You'll only damage the rifle or in the worst case, Yourself.

Some 20J does quite alot when placed correctly.

Good luck
 
I recently purchased a P35X in .177, primarily because of the added 65 cc plenum and the longer barrel. I purchased it from mundilar in Portugal so no power limitations.


However, I can’t get it to shoot faster than 860 fps with JSB Exact Heavy 10.34 grains even with the hammer spring fully adjusted.


I’ve also tested:


  • JSB Beast 16.20 gr = max 720 fps.
  • JSB Monster 13.43 gr max 776 fps.
  • JSB KnockOut Slugs in both 10.03 gr and 13.43 gr max fps = even less then the two pellets mentioned above.



  • I expected it to have around 29 fpe with the jsb beast 16.20 according to others reviews, but I'm close to half of that fpe, 18, 65 fpe / 720 fps when shooting the jsb beast. 16.20.


Has anyone experienced similar performance limitations – and found a solution?

View attachment 573807
Mine was putting out 27-28fpe without adjusting the reg, I remember someone else's was putting out 29-31 pellet/slug depending.
 
Ive had both. The p35x has much more power capability. I know the 35x has better valving as well. Please know what you are talking about. The P35x will do almost 35fpe in .177, where the regular version will only do 20fpe. It is a bit of work to get to the regulator, so you may want to send it to a tuner. It is all just pneumatics, just have to be careful to degas correctly and be very,very aware of orings on removal and reinstall
 
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Yours being the X version, with regulator and plenum, shouldn't / couldn't differ much power wise.
I would think there are very small transfer port and so on, hence the elusing power with both versions.
Hammer spring adjustment alone does very little, and may in some cases even bring the power down, let alone accuracy.

If You're new to pcp, please don't rush into things. You'll only damage the rifle or in the worst case, Yourself.

Some 20J does quite alot when placed correctly.

Good luck
I agree w/ the power there now, it will probably do what a 177 is up to doing. I don't mess w/ internal regs. I see what my three Stoegers are set at & live with it.
 
Sometimes internal regulators have to be messed with. I owned 2 different p35x, one was great oit of the box and the other required me polishing the trigger and also gerring to the regulator, it produced 32 fpe at 145bar on the reg., most are set to 115-125bar from the factory.
Mine , (Bullshark.22, Ranger.22 & Ranger.25)are all set @145BAR. May not be most efficient for air consumption ,but these are hunting guns & they get4-5 mags easy w/great accuracy . What more could a lazy guy ask for:giggle:!
 
Just depends what you want out of it. I wanted it to shoot a certain slug, but then decided i wanted a better trigger and mags. Now i shoot a maverick compact .177, sendimg 10g JSB KOs at 920 with an extreme spread of 5 over the entire 100 shots per fill. 5 22shot mags for me from 250bar to 150bar before i fill, but the reg is only at 78bar. I just fill early.lol
 
The first thing the OP should check is the regulator setting. That requires no disassembly of the gun but does require shooting over a chronograph starting around 150 bar. Velocity will fall noticably at some point and that will tell you the regulator setting. Look at the pressure gauge on the end of the air cylinder when the velocity is lower. If the regulator is low, like 120 or even 130 bar, you can definitely get more velocity by increasing it. If it is 140 or more, there is something else wrong.

I have a P35X I was gifted by another member when he had a similar issue with it. It's problem is SPA drilled the passages through the gun as if it was a 22 when it is a 25 caliber. This is not your issue but illustrates that the flow area through the gun is a big deal. I may yet fix it but haven't so far because the valve doesn't want to come out. But if your regulator is not really low, then I would start disassembly and look first at the barrel port. SPA normally drills them at 75% of the barrel diameter. So about .133 inches. My P35-25 was drilled at 75% but had a burr in the barrel port. Removing it gave me measurably more fps. I have increase the area of the barrel port in my P35-22, P35-25 and P35X barrel to 85% of bore diameter. That will give you a little more. I also have elongated the hole so it is longer than 85% in the direction of the pellet travel. You are limited by O-ring grooves but I got reasonably close. You won't get more than maybe 20 fps with this sort of modification but it can help a little. If the hole is poorly drilled you may get more.

There could be an issue with the passage through the block between the valve and the barrel but I know of no way to fix that right now. I am going to try heating up the stripped down block in my oven and see if the valve will come out when it's hot. The block is aluminum and the valve is SS, I think, so differential expansion may help. If I can get the valve out I will drill out the P35X block I have to 85% of the .25 bore area. I messed up the valve trying to get it out, however, and it leaks so I will have to fix that too for the gun to work.

The valve in later bullsharks (or some bullsharks) and my P35X is brass, not plastic like my P35s. The hammer spring of the P35X is made of 1.3mm wire, not 1.2mm wire like my P35s have. I haven't tried setting the regulator of brass valve guns to higher regulator pressure but it seems like they should be able to handle more. My P35s run out of hammer spring at something less than 150 bar. My guess is the P35X can handle more, maybe 160bar, maybe more.

With the long barrel you should not need a super high regulator, however. You have a 531mm barrel and a big plenum so for you to only get P35-177 level power is not right.

If you need to change the regulator I've explained that several times and you should be able to find it in my previous posts. It is not hard although anything you do for the first time will take a little longer. Maybe 30 minutes the first time and 15 minutes when you have done it a time or two. There are no markings to tell you how much to turn the adjuster screw. If you are really low I'd turn it at least 1/2 turn in (clockwise).
 
I also have a bullshark in 177. Absolutely love the gun and it's also putting way more fpe then my new p35x, regardless of pellets /slugs I feed it with.
No regulator ? My Stoeger Bullshark ( I thought was the same gun?) is regged & puts out way more (.22) velocity & oompf ! I've shot 18gr. pills over 915fps.
All w/ hammer spring adjustments. Current tune is 18.67 Rifle brand pellets @ 890-895fps.
 
Yep. The fpe I'm getting is equal to the regularly p35 which of course is frustrating. I already have a xm1 bullshark in 177 and it's a awesome gun. I primarily bought the p35x due to the added plenum and longer barrel, hoping to get some more fpe when shooting heavier pellets. To my surprise my bullshark is putting way more fpe.

The reg on my p35x is set around 120 bar. Once below the velocity drops noticeable. I would rather not have to mess around with the reg pressure, but it seems like it's the only solution for increasing the fpe.
Ive had both. The p35x has much more power capability. I know the 35x has better valving as well. Please know what you are talking about. The P35x will do almost 35fpe in .177, where the regular version will only do 20fpe. It is a bit of work to get to the regulator, so you may want to send it to a tuner. It is all just pneumatics, just have to be careful to degas correctly and be very,very aware of orings on removal and reinstall
 
Yep it seems like that's the only solution to increase the fpe. Just like on my bullshark 177, The reg is around 120 bar.

Weird thing is that I'm getting much more fpe on my bullshark compared to the p35x, which doesn't really make sense due to the shorter barrel and lack of plenum. ? I haven't adjusted the regulator on my bullshark at all, only a few turns on the hammerspring.

Sometimes internal regulators have to be messed with. I owned 2 different p35x, one was great oit of the box and the other required me polishing the trigger and also gerring to the regulator, it produced 32 fpe at 145bar on the reg., most are set to 115-125bar from the factory.
 
Just like my bullshark 177 the reg is set around 120 bar. Once below the velocity drops noticeable. I'm getting way more fpe out of my bullshark, just by adjusting the hammerspring which doesn't really make sense due to the shorter barrel and lack of plenum compared to the p35x.?

I would rather not increase the regulator but it seems like it's the only solution to get the higher fpe. I just read others reviews that got 29 fpe just with the factory setting without playing with regulator. That was what I was hooping for as well.



The first thing the OP should check is the regulator setting. That requires no disassembly of the gun but does require shooting over a chronograph starting around 150 bar. Velocity will fall noticably at some point and that will tell you the regulator setting. Look at the pressure gauge on the end of the air cylinder when the velocity is lower. If the regulator is low, like 120 or even 130 bar, you can definitely get more velocity by increasing it. If it is 140 or more, there is something else wrong.

I have a P35X I was gifted by another member when he had a similar issue with it. It's problem is SPA drilled the passages through the gun as if it was a 22 when it is a 25 caliber. This is not your issue but illustrates that the flow area through the gun is a big deal. I may yet fix it but haven't so far because the valve doesn't want to come out. But if your regulator is not really low, then I would start disassembly and look first at the barrel port. SPA normally drills them at 75% of the barrel diameter. So about .133 inches. My P35-25 was drilled at 75% but had a burr in the barrel port. Removing it gave me measurably more fps. I have increase the area of the barrel port in my P35-22, P35-25 and P35X barrel to 85% of bore diameter. That will give you a little more. I also have elongated the hole so it is longer than 85% in the direction of the pellet travel. You are limited by O-ring grooves but I got reasonably close. You won't get more than maybe 20 fps with this sort of modification but it can help a little. If the hole is poorly drilled you may get more.

There could be an issue with the passage through the block between the valve and the barrel but I know of no way to fix that right now. I am going to try heating up the stripped down block in my oven and see if the valve will come out when it's hot. The block is aluminum and the valve is SS, I think, so differential expansion may help. If I can get the valve out I will drill out the P35X block I have to 85% of the .25 bore area. I messed up the valve trying to get it out, however, and it leaks so I will have to fix that too for the gun to work.

The valve in later bullsharks (or some bullsharks) and my P35X is brass, not plastic like my P35s. The hammer spring of the P35X is made of 1.3mm wire, not 1.2mm wire like my P35s have. I haven't tried setting the regulator of brass valve guns to higher regulator pressure but it seems like they should be able to handle more. My P35s run out of hammer spring at something less than 150 bar. My guess is the P35X can handle more, maybe 160bar, maybe more.

With the long barrel you should not need a super high regulator, however. You have a 531mm barrel and a big plenum so for you to only get P35-177 level power is not right.

If you need to change the regulator I've explained that several times and you should be able to find it in my previous posts. It is not hard although anything you do for the first time will take a little longer. Maybe 30 minutes the first time and 15 minutes when you have done it a time or two. There are no markings to tell you how much to turn the adjuster screw. If you are really low I'd turn it at least 1/2 turn in (clockwise).