Old Daystates... Are they any good?

[Yo]

Though Daystates are great guns I hope you realize you're buying an OLD gun and ALL PCPs will require resealing sooner or later. I say buy a new gun here with a good warranty from a reputable dealer who cares about their customers and stands behind what they sell. Yo

It depends. People are finding leaks in their one year old FX Impacts. On the other hand, older guns had less seals and they were generally very robust. I had 25 year old Daystates that still didn't leak. If they do they are simple to work on.

Old FX's tend to get leaks earlier, in my experience, but again, they are pretty easy and cheap to reseal if they do.

By the way, one of my favorite go-to guns of all time is my little synthetic stocked unregulated FX Cyclone. Super efficient. Plenty of shots on full power and crazy accurate with it's LW barrel. I couldn't hope to count how much game I took with that gun.

My Theoben Rapids have been trouble free and leak free and laser accurate.

Ok now you done it now you REALLY done it.... RAPIDS!!!! Built like a tank perfect shooting PCPs with Anshutz and Lothar Walther barrels no regulator needed screw on bottles keep couple spares to take along with you out onto the field for all day shooting...hole in hole all day long boringly accurate guns and ppl say they were ugly... Yo

 

[Yo]

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[Nathan]

Yo, why didn’t you edit the post before last and just add the exclamation point? You’re hilarious.

 

[Motorhead]

Yes there very good rifles ... tho old school in there valving / hammer combos utilized. Actions more primitive and utilitarian than more modern guns from the MK-3 forward.

Triggers such as the old harrier / huntsmen were very good and made even better with a reduction in hammer weight and spring forces. ( yes you can modify / upgrade some of the mechanics of the older guns. )

 

[Yo]

Yes there very good rifles ... tho old school in there valving / hammer combos utilized. Actions more primitive and utilitarian than more modern guns from the MK-3 forward.

Triggers such as the old harrier / huntsmen were very good and made even better with a reduction in hammer weight and spring forces. ( yes you can modify / upgrade some of the mechanics of the older guns. )

Do you think. $795.00 is a good price for a used 177 MK3? No history of ever being serviced. If not what's your opinion on price? Yo!

 

[Motorhead]

Pending WHICH Mk-3 model ? and there sub versions Daystate manufactured ?

There was a Basic that had the electronic firing system but NO regulator ( One version had 12 step power, other IIRC only 2 )

There was a factory REGULATED model and don't know what power selection it utilized /

There was late in production an early MCT "Type" using the pressure transducer which IIRC was the predecessor to the MK-4





As to the 'Q" .... Honestly what the market bears on these older electro guns have no idea ???



I personally own a MK-3 and MCT Air Wolf and there AWESOME rifles. ( both in .20 cal )





Scott

 

[Guest]

Yo!

Whew! You're back! \o/

 

[Yo]

Pending WHICH Mk-3 model ? and there sub versions Daystate manufactured ?

There was a Basic that had the electronic firing system but NO regulator ( One version had 12 step power, other IIRC only 2 )

There was a factory REGULATED model and don't know what power selection it utilized /

There was late in production an early MCT "Type" using the pressure transducer which IIRC was the predecessor to the MK-4





As to the 'Q" .... Honestly what the market bears on these older electro guns have no idea ???



I personally own a MK-3 and MCT Air Wolf and there AWESOME rifles. ( both in .20 cal )





Scott

IDK AoA has it in their used section and even they couldn't answer your question and THEY were-ARE the authorized Daystate Importer-Dealer and it doesn't have it's manual nor paperwork. Yo!

 

[Motorhead]

AOA .. does not surprise me a bit. with all the info on the web, if what there selling was fully transparent to what it was it could go either way ,,, SELL RIGHT AWAY or sit there as a less desirable and NOT SELL.



Being quiet and being NOT informative is the better hedge bet ... Gotta love it .. NOT !!

 

[kellycr97]

Heck yeah they are, older Daystate’s Rock  I have a 40ftlb version X2 Prestige in my collection. Fantastic rifle! I bought it new in 2004 from AOA, it was my first Daystate that I ever bought. When I was looking and trying to decide on what I wanted and could afford I waited too long and found out that they discontinued the CRX, and I missed out on one of the last CRX-ST’s they had . I was uncomfortable with the electronics on the new MK3 so I went with the X2 non regulated model.

I have never had a single issue with it, it has never leaked, never changed POI on me, I still use my clicks that I made way back then. 50Y accuracy is outstanding and so is 100 yards. The build quality is excellent Older Daystate’s do take some getting used to, they have a heavy hammer and are a little hold sensitive but once you figure out what you need to do they will give you the accuracy you want.

I do not know how hard it is to ship a rifle from the UK nowadays, I tried three times to get something from the UK, a Ripley AR4, Ripley AR5 and a perfect safe queen Daystate 2000 and nobody was willing to work with me to send them over.

Yo’s advice on the pricing is a little off, I took a picture of the blue book pricing “12th edition” to give you an idea. And before anybody says anything, no I do not think that they bring what it says in the book for that model but a clean solid gun probably could be found for $700-800, more of course if it has a factory Gary Cane stock or the condition is near perfect.

 

[Yo]

Heck yeah they are, older Daystate’s Rock 

I have a 40ftlb version X2 Prestige in my collection. Fantastic rifle! I bought it new in 2004 from AOA, it was my first Daystate that I ever bought. When I was looking and trying to decide on what I wanted and could afford I waited too long and found out that they discontinued the CRX, and I missed out on one of the last CRX-ST’s they had

. I was uncomfortable with the electronics on the new MK3 so I went with the X2 non regulated model.

I have never had a single issue with it, it has never leaked, never changed POI on me, I still use my clicks that I made way back then. 50Y accuracy is outstanding and so is 100 yards. The build quality is excellent Older Daystate’s do take some getting used to, they have a heavy hammer and are a little hold sensitive but once you figure out what you need to do they will give you the accuracy you want.

I do not know how hard it is to ship a rifle from the UK nowadays, I tried three times to get something from the UK, a Ripley AR4, Ripley AR5 and a perfect safe queen Daystate 2000 and nobody was willing to work with me to send them over.

Yo’s advice on the pricing is a little off, I took a picture of the blue book pricing “12th edition” to give you an idea. And before anybody says anything, no I do not think that they bring what it says in the book for that model but a clean solid gun probably could be found for $700-800, more of course if it has a factory Gary Cane stock or the condition is near perfect.

Blue book is fine but my comment was what the market would actually pay. Yo!

 

[kellycr97]

Blue book is fine but my comment was what the market would actually pay. Yo!



Yes the market always dictates the price and with everything thing that is going on I agree with you that we will start to see a lot of stuff coming up for sale.

 

[c_m_shooter]

The older guns are probably good for most people with some mechanical ability. Some of us expect these things to have problems sooner or later and factor that into the price we are willing to pay. The OP is just a kid, and his posts and questions seem to have gotten more informed and mature in the last year or so, but I don't know enough about his mechanical abilities to recomend an older out of production rifle.



Antoni, wait for a Hunter Regal to hit the used market in your budget. The prices have dropped a little recently, and I think you could find a deal on one in the near future. 

 

[Antoni]

The older guns are probably good for most people with some mechanical ability. Some of us expect these things to have problems sooner or later and factor that into the price we are willing to pay. The OP is just a kid, and his posts and questions seem to have gotten more informed and mature in the last year or so, but I don't know enough about his mechanical abilities to recomend an older out of production rifle.



Antoni, wait for a Hunter Regal to hit the used market in your budget. The prices have dropped a little recently, and I think you could find a deal on one in the near future.

Oh please don’t remind my of my older posts...

I think your right, but my problem is that I will have to ask for a refund before October for my Liberty because it’s breaking down and I’ll be in serious trouble when my warranty ends. I’ll think about what you all said, but my conclusion right now is that I should not get the really old daystates and either get a Daystate that’s just went out of production if I really want a Daystate, an FX tarantula if I can be sure that it was recently resealed, or wait for the Daystates of the day to drop in price and get a new air rifle in the meantime. As for my mechanical ability, I’m not sure. I guess disassembling, lubing/cleaning, and reassembling my Chinese hand pump that keeps plugging up because of sludge buildup counts for something(?) 

Anyway, thanks for all the feedback and I’ll have to digest it all.

AK 

 

[steve123]

OP, I've been down this road often in my youth, moreso with firearms that aren't nearly as finicky as AG's. I "cheaped out" always trying to beat the odds that I'd win the gun lottery and get a good cheap gun. Ha, I got tired of donating money to the gun casino if you get my meaning. 

My greatest regret as far as guns go when I was young was when I went out of town and spied a gunsmith's custom 6mm PCP sitting in the gun rack at his gun store. It came with brass, custom dies, loaded ammo, and targets that were "literally hol-n-hole - (really they were Mike)", some were shot at 200Y. Being my dumbass self I went the cheap route, saved like $300, and bought a POS that I was stuck with and turned out to be a bad decision, lol!!!

Okay here's the deal. It's much better, and typically cheaper in the long run, to charge a decent quality PCP on your credit card. Yeah you pay some interest but you'll be shooting a nice gun next week! It will likely be reliable but if not it should have a warranty. How much money are all these positives, including pride of ownership, worth. Too me they are worth a lot. 

If buying new look for the older generation rifles that have had a good rep and are on sale.

If buying used, and from a store, ask that the rifle be rebuilt, and tuned by them if possible.

It's not a bad idea to find a good quality used air rifle and send it ASAP to a good tuner and have him go through the rifle.

 

[Arzrover]

The old Daystates are designed and built for DECADES of heavy use, not YEARS. With that is a penalty in weight, but generally nice triggers and usually very accurate. I have a Tarantula and while it is beautiful and has MANY nice characteristics, durability is not one. Exceptionally accurate though. A Huntsman, Regal, AA500, and many others would be a better buy. An old Daystate I regret selling was LR90. Very light and accurate but made like a Huntsman miniature. A Compatto seems like it might be a good option as well. Light, nice handling and durable....

Good luck with your choice. Lotsa nice rifles out there.

Bob