Old chinese Beeman question

[bandicoot]

Hi folks. Newbie here. I have acquired what I think is an old Beeman 1000 series .177 springer. I have tried several types of Daisy, Crossman, and some unknown pellets. Shooting at 25 yards, the best I can do off a tripod is about 2'' for 5 shots. Can anyone reco what I might try for better accuracy in one of these? Regards. Bandi

 

[Maizen]

Hi folks. Newbie here. I have acquired what I think is an old Beeman 1000 series .177 springer. I have tried several types of Daisy, Crossman, and some unknown pellets. Shooting at 25 yards, the best I can do off a tripod is about 2'' for 5 shots. Can anyone reco what I might try for better accuracy in one of these? Regards. Bandi

Could you send a picture of how you have it configured? I know someone here is going to say to send it to motorhead. But trust me when I say it’s usually the shooter or a configuration or some kind of user error.

Already I must say you should try the artillery hold.

 

[marflow 777]

i afraid you have a lot of things that would have to be determined
the rifle is 17-23 old so running it over a chrono would tell something about it's health
in was advertised at 1000fps but they were known to lie about that even today
some good pellets like RWS might help
breech seal is important and a good seal makes a difference
clean barrel, open sight, scope, many question
but 2 inches at 75 feet is not all that bad

 

[bandicoot]

I got a tin of H&N pellets, around 10 grains to try. The rifle came with a 3-9x Beeman-labeled scope, also made in China. The rig is in really good shape, is missing a front ramp, sight, and maybe a weight of some kind. The trigger is TERRIBLE, but I can deal with that. The pellets I tried are all in the 7-8 grain area, and none fit snugly in the barrel. I'll set up the chronograph and see what I can get. It was rather breezy out here yesterday in NW WY, but it most always is. Thanks to M&M for the feedback. More later. Bandi

 

[JDR]

Scope may be an issue. My brother had a Benjamin Nitro (cheap China gun) and it shot terrible even with the artillery hold. His friend said he had to lead the barrel and he finally got good accuracy. Not sure I believe that but the gun did improve greatly in accuracy. Maybe try a H&N 4.52 mm diameter pellet and see if that helps. I would not put much money into it. If this the Beeman where you can interchange 1117 and 22 cal barrels, I read where that the connection was not that rigid. Good luck.

 

[bandicoot]

Thanks. I'm not putting ANYTHING into it. I actually think the scope is o.k., but I do have another one I could try. Going out today to try the H&Ns' on hand. I do not know if the gun is one of the "switchers". I think it was bought from Sportsman's Guide back in the '90s'. May end up being a barn gun.

 

[JP806TX]

We need to develop a standard Springer NOT Grouping Check List
(maybe others can add to this)

1. check all the screws including scope screws (snug them up, and locktite them if they keep loosening)
2. tissue test (possible breech seal issues)
3. chrono the gun (is it consistent? if not, look at piston seal, spring, excessive lube to no lube, )
4. Troubleshoot possible scope issue (Shoot open sight to check if the scope is busted, swap scopes, mount a laser then use your scope to double check POI shifts).
5. Clean your barrel
6. Try quality pellets, Crosman CPH, CPL, JSB, H&N, RWS, etc, Try different weight pellets
7. lighten your trigger (be careful with this one)
8. Tune/detune your rifle (detuning might make it more pleasant to shoot and help you manage recoil thus shrinking your group)
9. Try the artillery hold and try not to shoot your gun resting on a solid rest/tripod (a hand under the forearm, softer padding? might help). Really be consistent on your position and trigger control. Shoot at 10 yards first to get good grouping before going to longer yardages. For me, if I can't group 3/8" at 10 yards, I tweaks things until I see good groupings.
10. check your crown
11. ? (I'm sure others will chime in)

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edit
I just did a quick google on that Beeman 1000 series. What version is yours? the dual caliber version?
As I recall, accuracy reviews were not stellar.
For most budget break barrels if you are looking for 3/4 to 1/2" at 25 yards ...it might be hit or miss (mostly miss, pun intended)...unless you want to do a ton of work on the rifle like swapping out barrels, polishing the barrel, crowning the barrel, tune the rifle, hone the compression tube, size the piston seal, modify the trigger, stone the trigger surfaces, install a tighter spring guide...and on and on.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

Not going to go in to it...?

Probably due to be snatched apart cleaned inspected and fresh lube if the springs still good and seals good. I had a gs1000 spanish made beeman i liked it till it got stolen..

 

[AirNGasman]

We need to develop a standard Springer NOT Grouping Check List
(maybe others can add to this)

1. check all the screws including scope screws (snug them up, and locktite them if they keep loosening)
2. tissue test (possible breech seal issues)
3. chrono the gun (is it consistent? if not, look at piston seal, spring, excessive lube to no lube, )
4. Troubleshoot possible scope issue (Shoot open sight to check if the scope is busted, swap scopes, mount a laser then use your scope to double check POI shifts).
5. Clean your barrel
6. Try quality pellets, Crosman CPH, CPL, JSB, H&N, RWS, etc, Try different weight pellets
7. lighten your trigger (be careful with this one)
8. Tune/detune your rifle (detuning might make it more pleasant to shoot and help you manage recoil thus shrinking your group)
9. Try the artillery hold and try not to shoot your gun resting on a solid rest/tripod (a hand under the forearm, softer padding? might help). Really be consistent on your position and trigger control. Shoot at 10 yards first to get good grouping before going to longer yardages. For me, if I can't group 3/8" at 10 yards, I tweaks things until I see good groupings.
10. check your crown
11. ? (I'm sure others will chime in)

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edit
I just did a quick google on that Beeman 1000 series. What version is yours? the dual caliber version?
As I recall, accuracy reviews were not stellar.
For most budget break barrels if you are looking for 3/4 to 1/2" at 25 yards ...it might be hit or miss (mostly miss, pun intended)...unless you want to do a ton of work on the rifle like swapping out barrels, polishing the barrel, crowning the barrel, tune the rifle, hone the compression tube, size the piston seal, modify the trigger, stone the trigger surfaces, install a tighter spring guide...and on and on.Allow me to correct the first and last steps.

My contributions-

(New) # 1. Is it even worth messing with?
# 12. Repurpose as a trot-line weight.

 

[bandicoot]

I'll go with #1. Now, I just shot it again with the H&N heavies. DEFINITELY better. Last 5 shots went into 1-1/4" with two sets of two shots touching. and one higher. Little to no wind today. I think I'll get the bench and the chrono out when it gets a little cooler ( 91 today in the Big Horn basin). The gun seems to be very "snappy", and I did do some maintenance and lubrication last fall. Attaching two pics. Thanks to all. Bandi

 

[JP806TX]

I'll go with #1. Now, I just shot it again with the H&N heavies. DEFINITELY better. Last 5 shots went into 1-1/4" with two sets of two shots touching. and one higher. Little to no wind today. I think I'll get the bench and the chrono out when it gets a little cooler ( 91 today in the Big Horn basin). The gun seems to be very "snappy", and I did do some maintenance and lubrication last fall. Attaching two pics. Thanks to all. Bandi

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Here's another easy monitoring tip.
I see that you have a scope stop at the end of the dovetail.

Just to monitor potential scope movement, I would put two pieces of painter's tape. One on the base on one of the legs of the scope mount, one on the action right below the first tape. Then put witness marks on both tapes.

I have a sneaky suspicion that your rifle might be moving those scope mounts around.

If your rifle is "snappy", you definitely do not want to shoot it off a hard surface. It's going to bounce/jump 10 different directions each and every trigger pull (even on that tripod).