Ok I grant you that a level can help some people shoot better,butt for the

[BigTinBoat]

Inferiority complex, superiority complex, split personality complex, high conflict personality complex, its just all too complex for my complex to completely comprehensively comprehend...



TunedAccuracy: " Nobody knows the difference between accuracy and precision"



Wait what? Apparently you don't know the definition of Nobody, because that would include you not knowing it either...



Precision and accuracy are synonymous, if you choose to create a complex dynamic semantically then you are likely not someone anyone should bother debating with, because you're allowed to define words as you please...



Precision:

the quality, condition, or fact of being exact and accurate.



Accuracy:

the quality or state of being correct or precise.



Its funny how each definition clearly uses the synonymous word you claim have different meanings (by your own definition)...

And here we have yet another attack post with baseless assumptions. Of course this is all by design, to suit an ongoing PLOT where these older men, 60 and over, can dominate a forum on the internet, Leaving no room for anything but their opinions and conventional wisdom, with closed minds. In other words , once they have it in for you, Expect negative reviews.What they don't agree with, they want silenced.

In this instance , Ackuric , is 100% completely wrong. But, what he says goes. Well let me tell you this. He is wrong. He is also combative as we can see here. Yet he has chosen to DEMONSTRATE my initial assessment that no one seems to know the difference between precision, and accuracy. He has demonstrated this right here, before your very eyes for all to see. Yes , he will get mad. And yes, some of his " cohorts" will also get mad in support.

I have chosen to ignore some of his Rhetoric, so as not to become as combative as he. What we have seen here is this forum member, carve his opinion in stone. Any debate on the subject, as we see here , is met with aggression. In turn, this aggression is often spun to the favor of the many, who attack the few. This has been tried once in this thread already , by none other than Mr. Nervoustrigger. I have pretty much concluded in this, they they want a fight. That they intend to push for a fight. And when , finally, they get what they want, they will pretend to have done nothing to initiate it, and the negative reviews will rain down like a hail storm from hell.....

Now , to Mr. Ackuric. I do not mind your opinions. I do not mind if you someday correct me. In fact, if you do not agree with me, I would not fault you for such. You have indeed tried, somewhat forcefully, to correct me on the Subject : Precision vs Accuracy. I am ok with that. No harm, no foul. But I will say this ," if Carlos Hathcock were alive today and happened to see this, he would certainly laugh at you here, or in your face, in person. Much like me , he would know that your synopsis up there is incorrect and misleading. It is for that very reason that I post a link below proving that, if I may quote you here, "" "Precision and accuracy are synonymous, if you choose to create a complex dynamic semantically then you are likely not someone anyone should bother debating with, because you're allowed to define words as you please..."" you are incorrect, furthermore, I have defined nothing but the truth of the matter as seen by many who know the difference. And, this is not some " complex, dynamic, semantic", that I personally designed and/or translated.

So here is the link to what you do not understand.

https://labwrite.ncsu.edu/Experimental%20Design/accuracyprecision.htm

And thank you for proving my point. Sincerely,

A.I.

I honestly feel sorry for you. Must be so lonely not having friends to talk with and having to change screens and come back to a forum where you got booted for having so many negatives. You would think a guy who lives on acreage with a pond would have much better things to do for entertainment then just troll internet forums. Go outside and breathe that southern air, you honestly will live a longer and happier life. I pray you eventually find happiness.

 

[Accuracy_Incorporated]

I honestly feel sorry for you. Must be so lonely not having friends to talk with and having to change screens and come back to a forum where you got booted for having so many negatives. You would think a guy who lives on acreage with a pond would have much better things to do for entertainment then just troll internet forums. Go outside and breathe that southern air, you honestly will live a longer and happier life. I pray you eventually find happiness.

And here we are again........another clan member with another speculation , attack post. Let me tell you somethin slick. You know absolutely 0 about me. Not one single thing. Yet you sit here fanning flames, looking for someone else to pin it on, so you can reign supreme on the internet. Your boy got SCHOOLED after forcefully in combative nature attempting to make a very invalid point. The truth is what it is whether you like it or not. Even if you silence the truth, it doesn't make it any less true. So my shimmer, you can sit here assuming whatever you like. You can also deny the truth as much as you like. And that's why you're mad. The truth hurts. As to your conjecture, that you might know anything at all about me, well, it just got sunk like the titanic. What you are is an antagonist. Nothing more, nothing less. In my opinion, your entire reasoning for posting your above puerile ick, is to further fan flames,,,,,,,encourage aggression, while gathering support for your cause. So I will leave you with this. You mean very little to me. What you think means even less. So save your therapeutic advice for someone who respects you and might take it. Because I don't. Oh and start writing to the capacity of your age, because we both know you're up there, and not some pre-schooler doing his first term paper on the miracles of psychoanalysis, and the virtues of therapeutic breathing.

A.I.

 

[douger]

Quiqly you're back.

If the OP has the installed that level on his scope so that when it is indicating level, his horizontal cross hair is also level, can't he then use this "level" along with another level sitting his receiver to insure the scope is properly aligned with the gun? This happens to be EXACTLY how I do it. My scope is PROPERLY mounted. (My vertical axis cuts right thru the center of my bore)

Well, not exactly. Here is why. When you level the scope, you are leveling the wrong thing.

Most recticles in most scopes have some degree of cant. It's entirely possible to perfectly level your scope tube and turrets using your method while inducing more recticle cant. Rather than the meeting the objective.

You could have three levels. One on the scope tube. One on the receiver, and one on the tang of the stock......wherein one could triangulate levels. It would appear that everything is perfect and perfectly level. But if the recticle is not accounted for, what you end up with is a perfectly level scope main body while inducing more cant and doing more harm than good. I am not saying that this is what you have done. I'm merely saying that this is what you need to be aware of.



A. I.

Quigly - apparently reading is not your strong suit. If you had actually read what I typed you would see that I am "leveling" my reticle. Here is the process I use. I place my scope in a v-block and align my "vertical" cross hair with a weighted string that I have hanging from a tree branch. I then, while keeping the cross hair plumb, install a level on my scope tube with the level bubble centered. Now I put my scope on the gun, put the gun on my bags and put a 2nd level on my receiver. Now I keep the receiver level and rotate the scope until the bubble (in the level attached to the scope) is centered. This then causes my vertical crosshair to be directly inline with my bore. Now when I hold the gun so that the scope level is indicating a level condition, there is ZERO cant. My vertical crosshair is now plumb and directly inline with the bore.

I couldn't give a rast's a$$ about how the turrets or tube line up with anything, YOU added that little tidbit.

THATS HOW I ROCK IT ALSO WORKS FOR ME 

 

[Monkyshine]

What a post, my cant indicator on my scope is windage. If you hold for windage and your gun/ scope is not level you will miss that shot every time. It will usually happen to me on that odd spot you are resting your gun to pull off a long shot on a windy day needing that 1-2 mil of windage hold.

There's my ten cents fellows, hope you guys enjoy your optics as much as me.

 

[STO]

So I don't mean to offend anyone, but there is an important non-semantic difference between accuracy and precision, at least in a technical sense as typically used in science/engineering. While they are perhaps synonymous to what I might call the "general public," some of us don't see it in quite the same way. I suspect those of us who think of the two as different have a STEM background where this subtle difference is drilled into us. *shrug* 

Anyway the simple, no offense intended, definitions:

Accuracy could be defined as a gun which puts pellets consistently near the bullseye, it is an accurate gun. 

Precision could be defined as a gun which shoots tight groups. Those tight groups may not be anywhere near the point of aim, so it isn't accurate necessarily, but it is very precise. 



A convergence of accuracy and precision is valuable because your groups are small, and they go where you aim.  

I hope that makes sense and doesn't upset anyone. 

 

[nervoustrig]

Well said, sir. Thank you for taking the time to state the distinction in a polite manner.

Hypothetically that is way more conducive to civil discourse than simply stepping in to declare that no one knows the difference and then abruptly leaving. Not that anyone would do that, of course, but I can just imagine how that would stir conflict in an otherwise informative and civil discussion. 

 

[boscoebrea]

" I'm Mad as Hell, and I'm not going take this anymore"..ranked 19th on the all time quote list .another thing ,where I worked accuracy was not good enough, you had to have precision or in other words precise,exact,,accurate,oh ,there is that word accurate.WTFC, if what you do makes you happy; why should someone come in and chit all over the place with their disrespectful behavior...like this "boys"if you can not be respectful to each other ,keep the fook away....so there,take your "problems" elsewhere,like the National Enquirer,LOL.A hard lesson for some and that includes me,butt I am learning from this quote,Sometimes it is best to say nothing"............yea I know ,butt what fun would that be?

Anyhow I like to witty and its been raining a lot here.

 

[Accuracy_Incorporated]

So I don't mean to offend anyone, but there is an important non-semantic difference between accuracy and precision, at least in a technical sense as typically used in science/engineering. While they are perhaps synonymous to what I might call the "general public," some of us don't see it in quite the same way. I suspect those of us who think of the two as different have a STEM background where this subtle difference is drilled into us. *shrug* 

Anyway the simple, no offense intended, definitions:

Accuracy could be defined as a gun which puts pellets consistently near the bullseye, it is an accurate gun. 

Precision could be defined as a gun which shoots tight groups. Those tight groups may not be anywhere near the point of aim, so it isn't accurate necessarily, but it is very precise. 



A convergence of accuracy and precision is valuable because your groups are small, and they go where you aim.  

I hope that makes sense and doesn't upset anyone.

Thank you for posting this. I may not have put it as politely as I could have after being attacked on several fronts. By certain people who demand that one , falls in, and lock steps to their tune. Or the thought police who might condemn the way something is said or written. Not to mention the many accusations and assumptions put forth by the same people who champion , " civil discourse." I suppose that I could have been more caring and nurturing. I mistakenly thought that I had written a post that might be read by men who are not thin skinned, and not small children who have their ego's bruised easily.

I offer apologies to you, for having to walk on egg shells careful not to offend the easily offended, as well as those who have not partaken in some of the characteristics described above. But not to the people involved in the Lynch Mob narrative.

Your post is well received and may be something I can refer to in the future. Hope you are well.

A.I.

 

[edosan]

I want to play to, can I? sorry, a bit of humor...just to point out 1 thing:

IMO guns are not accurate per se, they are consistent/precise, what make a consistent gun accurate is the shooter, in lab conditions guns maybe accurate (no wind, perfect temp, rest, trigger for the trigger, etc) but in real world the shooter is what make the gun accurate (Slope, wind, distance, temp and so on), my 2 cents.

 

[bubblerboy64]

Ok for the nerds among us. 

What we are dealing with is the common usage of the word ACCURATE. 

If in the process of buying or selling a fire arm would you use the word PRECISE in a discription of its merits? If you would please raise your hand so we can laugh and point . 

Those of you who don’t see that accuracy assumes precision in the discussion of firearms really need to watch The Big Bang Theory tv show because you ARE Sheldon 

 

[edosan]

Ok for the nerds among us. 

What we are dealing with is the common usage of the word ACCURATE. 

If in the process of buying or selling a fire arm would you use the word PRECISE in a discription of its merits? If you would please raise your hand so we can laugh and point . 

Those of you who don’t see that accuracy assumes precision in the discussion of firearms really need to watch The Big Bang Theory tv show because you ARE Sheldon

Hey! that´s my spot!

We need to be accurate in what we say in order to obtain precise responses (Or is the other way around?) jaja