Huben Observations Shooting Huben GK1 V3 - Offhand

[steve-l]

Ezana4CE,
I have chosen both the power and my shooting process of the GK1 to maximize its best qualities for consistency and minimize its deficiencies.. You can have the most powerful handgun in the world and yet be useless when you miss. So you are still learning to shoot, yet you have adjusted your GK1 for maximum power and shooting until you observe drop at 10 yards. Those settings you are using are not helping. Please reduce your power setting and recharge the air tank after every magazine. It is necessary to get the gun shooting consistently to identify your faults. Don't over complicate an already difficult task.

 

[Ezana4CE]

Ezana4CE,
I have chosen both the power and my shooting process of the GK1 to maximize its best qualities for consistency and minimize its deficiencies.. You can have the most powerful handgun in the world and yet be useless when you miss. So you are still learning to shoot, yet you have adjusted your GK1 for maximum power and shooting until you observe drop at 10 yards. Those settings you are using are not helping. Please reduce your power setting and recharge the air tank after every magazine. It is necessary to get the gun shooting consistently to identify your faults. Don't over complicate an already difficult task.

@steve-l Thank you. I’ll give lowering the velocity a shot. To be clear, I do not recall touching the power adjustment screw. The way I’m shooting the GK1 is the way it was delivered to me out of the box. I’ve only shot different weight projectiles.

 

[steve-l]

@steve-l Thanks for the info. I haven't adjusted the power level on my GK1 yet. I’ve been shooting it as it arrived. now that I have a decent baseline of shot strings shot in different temperatures, and decent DOPE with open sights, and my reflex sight, I feel more comfortable adjusting the velocity. @AirNGasman also suggested that I lower my velocity. I like the idea of removing my finger from the trigger every time, but after some discussion with @AirNGasman and experimenting with some of his suggestions I think that I may benefit from a fatter grip. I’d very much like a wood grip if I can source one. My hands are a pretty good size and my fingers are a bit long. I wrapped something around the stock grip to test this and it did bring my finger closer to the trigger. I also noticed that when I bend my index finger the muscles contracting in my hand push against the backside of the grip and cause movement of the pistol. That is shooting two-handed. What do you think of these factors and ideas? Do you know where I might find a wider grip for the GK1?

You are looking for a band-aid. You do not NEED a new grip to shoot a handgun well. The grip that comes with the GK1 works just fine. If you were a Olympic competitive shooter, perhaps another grip may help the last 2% of your results, which could be significant in competition, but you are years away from that level. Don't waste your money. After I returned from being a refugee when Vietnam fell. (I was an American advisor to the Vietnamese Air Force) I was shooting a brand new S&W Model 59 9mm pistol at a range in Arizona and I was all over the target. I was not shooting it at all well. This guy shows up behind me and was watching me miss. I was not certain if it was me or the gun at fault. He asked if he could test the gun. He was right handed. He picked up the gun in his left hand upside down and shot 6 rounds in the bullseye at 25 yards. He turned to me and said the gun is fine, the fault is yours. It's all about technique. A good hand gunner can shoot anything well.

 

[Ezana4CE]

You are looking for a band-aid. You do not NEED a new grip to shoot a handgun well. The grip that comes with the GK1 works just fine. If you were an Olympic competitive shooter, perhaps anther grip may help the last 2% of your results, which could be significant in competition, but you are years away from that level. Don't waste your money. After I returned from being a refugee when Vietnam fell. (I was an American advisor to the Vietnamese Air Force) I was shooting a brand new S&W Model 59 9mm pistol at a range in Arizona and I was all over the target. I was not shooting it at all well. This guy shows up behind me and was watching me miss. I was not certain if it was me or the gun at fault. He asked if he could test the gun. He was right handed. He picked up the gun in his left hand upside down and shot 6 rounds in the bullseye at 25 yards. He turned to me and said the gun is fine, the fault is yours. It's all about technique. A good hand gunner can shoot anything well.

@Steve-I I don’t know which is why I’m asking questions. I’ll give it a go and see what happens.

An advisory role suggests that you may have gone in early. Bless you man. I’ve been told by many of the hell many of y’all went through over there aa well as when you returned. That is a helluva story about the man shooting left handed with the pistol upside down. I guess in a war men will try many things. Men that survived the war must’ve found some things that worked for them along with a bit of planning and good fortune. The point on shooting technique wasn’t lost on me. I’m trying to develop sound technique and you’ve provided a lot for me to think about and practice. Thanks again for sharing your tips, advice, and perspective.

 

[steve-l]

@steve-l Thank you. I’ll give lowering the velocity a shot. To be clear, I do not recall touching the power adjustment screw. The way I’m shooting the GK1 is the way it was delivered to me out of the box. I’ve only shot different weight projectiles.

Recharge the air tank after every magazine as well. It helps deviation. Remember there is no regulator.

 

[steve-l]

Ezana4CE,
I have not spoken about trigger work to you either. You stated the muzzle moves when the trigger is pulled. That indicates side thrust is being used. You need to position your hand in such a way that only rearward motion is applied to the trigger.. On Olympic pistols, trigger position is often adjustable for that reason. You may also note that competition pistols often use weights attached to the muzzle to deduce this side thrust effect on aim.

 

[Ezana4CE]

Ezana4CE,
I have not spoken about trigger work to you either. You stated the muzzle moves when the trigger is pulled. That indicates side thrust is being used. You need to position your hand in such a way that only rearward motion is applied to the trigger.. On Olympic pistols, trigger position is often adjustable for that reason. You may also note that competition pistols often use weights attached to the muzzle to deduce this side thrust effect on aim.

@steve-l Something else I have noticed is that I’m feeling compelled to use the bend in my finger (1st joint from the finger tip) and not the pad of my finger as I make it a point to use when shooting a rifle. This is an entirely different feeling for me. The position of my finger feels really strange to try and back my finger out of the trigger gaurd to use the pad of my finger when shooting the GK1. I don’t know how shooting this way is affecting my shots.

 

[steve-l]

@steve-l Something else I have noticed is that I’m feeling compelled to use the bend in my finger (1st joint from the finger tip) and not the pad of my finger as I make it a point to use when shooting a rifle. This is an entirely different feeling for me. The position of my finger feels really strange to try and back my finger out of the trigger gaurd to use the pad of my finger when shooting the GK1. I don’t know how shooting this way is affecting my shots.

Your hand position should position the first trigger finger joint 90 degrees from the trigger post. Exactly where the trigger post intersects with your finger is a reflection of your finger length and is not relevant. Thrust direction is.

 

[AirNGasman]

Ezana4CE,
I have not spoken about trigger work to you either. You stated the muzzle moves when the trigger is pulled. That indicates side thrust is being used. You need to position your hand in such a way that only rearward motion is applied to the trigger.. On Olympic pistols, trigger position is often adjustable for that reason. You may also note that competition pistols often use weights attached to the muzzle to deduce this side thrust effect on aim.

Assuming this chart is the product of pistol shooting experts, it might help-

Myself being allergic to puzzles and over-thunking , I assume my pistol shooting success(es) must relate to six decades of trial-and-error (read that, 'experience').

With that last sentence in mind, should you study the chart above long enough that your eyes start to cross , your brain starts to melt , and/or you start wondering if you could hit the broad side of your head with a pistol, I suggest you refer to the chart attached below in order to reassess...

With a little COMIC RELIEF!

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[steve-l]

Assuming this chart is the product of pistol shooting experts, it might help-

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Myself being allergic to puzzles and over-thunking , I assume my pistol shooting success(es) must relate to six decades of trial-and-error (read that, 'experience').

With that last sentence in mind, should you study the chart above long enough that your eyes start to cross , your brain starts to melt , and/or you start wondering if you could hit the broad side of your head with a pistol, I suggest you refer to the chart attached below in order to reassess...

With a little COMIC RELIEF!

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I have seen this many years ago. It is a good guide.

 

[boscoebrea]

Well if it helps it took me a year to be a good pistol shooter.good not great.I had the same experience with my .45 ,I thought a new barrel would help,..The gunsmith was next to a shooting range range ,he put all shots in the bullseye and handed my 45 back to me and said, "buy more ammunication and practice more,there nothing wrong with your pistol.".......