NV No Go In CA?

I am in NY and have been checking out the wraith and atn groups and they looks great, was talking to a buddy in CA and he said that would be great since his uncle owns a dairy farm and he could use it for rats at night but it says they will not ship to CA is it illegal to hunt with does pesting count as hunting since I'm not in CA Looking for feedback from guys that do know. Thank you all in advance.
 
I am in NY and have been checking out the wraith and atn groups and they looks great, was talking to a buddy in CA and he said that would be great since his uncle owns a dairy farm and he could use it for rats at night but it says they will not ship to CA is it illegal to hunt with does pesting count as hunting since I'm not in CA Looking for feedback from guys that do know. Thank you all in advance.

Wait whaaaaat. Yes pesting is hunting here. Night time hunts are past the 30 minute after sunset too


 
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But wait! Let's say you have a amazon account and do a search for let's say atn. You can click the link, buy and it will be sent to you. 

However.. if you look up night vision scope or some other words similar to that. The same link will no longer allow you to have it sent to your address in California...



Wild huh?

Federalism is a good thing and a bad thing. States can't restrict half the things they want to.
 
 I have never had a problem getting things shipped to me in CA.Some business say they will not ship to CA...ok I will use another business then.

CA. law??Too many people too many laws....Fact!...Too many bashing CA.hey Mother Nature been bashing us enough already....show some love,we all need it now-a-days no matter where we live.....Planet Earth.
 
But wait! Let's say you have a amazon account and do a search for let's say atn. You can click the link, buy and it will be sent to you. 

However.. if you look up night vision scope or some other words similar to that. The same link will no longer allow you to have it sent to your address in California...



Wild huh?




It’s an amazon thing! I ordered from ATN website and they shipped to my door in CA! 


the law prohibits night vision scope with built in illuminator like Pard008 but ATN is not an issue as far as I can tell. You just not supposed to clamp the IR illuminator on the gun too, mount it in a helmet or on a tripod and then you should be fine. The law isn’t terribly clear so fairly easy to get around. 
 
But wait! Let's say you have a amazon account and do a search for let's say atn. You can click the link, buy and it will be sent to you. 

However.. if you look up night vision scope or some other words similar to that. The same link will no longer allow you to have it sent to your address in California...



Wild huh?




It’s an amazon thing! I ordered from ATN website and they shipped to my door in CA! 


the law prohibits night vision scope with built in illuminator like Pard008 but ATN is not an issue as far as I can tell. You just not supposed to clamp the IR illuminator on the gun too, mount it in a helmet or on a tripod and then you should be fine. The law isn’t terribly clear so fairly easy to get around.

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Take a look at CA Penal Code § 468.

Its basically illegal to own anything with a infrared light source that can be attached to a regular firearm. Found this out when looking at atn scopes on amazon, ended up buying one off a forum.

Here is Cal. PC 468 in its entirety:

Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime.

This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for scientific research or educational purposes.

The first paragraph says if I possess a "sniperscope," then I'm guilty of a misdemeanor and cant be punished by no more than a $1,000 fine or imprisonment up to a year, or both. The second paragraph defines "sniperscope," and there's two parts to this definition - first is that it has to be a device that is "designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm." I know some local ordnances consider air guns "firearms" for purposes of discharge prohibitions, but I'm not sure if the state defines an air gun as one. Could there conceivably be a night vision device that otherwise meets performance requirements but designed specifically for an air gun rather than a PB firearm? I guess the "adaptable to" language might doom such a device, because anything can be adaptable for use on a firearm. The next part is the requirement of projecting infrared light, and I understand this to mean active IR devices are verboten, but passive IR devices are not. 

If i can get over this whole "sniperscope" nonsense by using passive IR, I still have some hurdles in the Fish and Game Code and the California Code of Regulations. First is my ability to hunt at night, and I understand it's only allowed in certain areas and depends on the species. Since I'm interested in hunting racoons, skunks, and rats at night, I'm primarily interested in "Nongame animals," the nightime restrictions for which are set forth in CCR T14-474. I'll be on my own property, or maybe a friend's property, so I'm good there. But this is catch-all F&G law that all but seems to prohibit use of night vision at all - FGC 2005:

It is unlawful to use or possess night vision equipment to assist in the taking of a bird, mammal, amphibian, reptile, or fish. For purposes of this subdivision, “night vision equipment” includes, but is not limited to, the following:

(1) An infrared or similar light, used in connection with an electronic viewing device.

(2) An optical device, including, but not limited to, binoculars or a scope, that uses electrical or battery powered light

This would seem to cover passive IR too.

But wait, there's more! This restriction does not apply to "The taking of mammals governed by Article 2 (commencing with Section 4180) of Chapter 3 of Part 3 of Division 4." If you follow along, this is FGC 4180-4190, regarding depredators, or fur-bearing mammals that are injuring property. Under 4186 it looks I can take cottontail rabbits and brush rabbits "when damage to crops or forage is being experienced on that land." 

I think the "sniperscope" regulation of PC468 is based upon a poor understanding of night vision devices, and was an emotional over-reaction to some hypothetical danger cooked up by a legislator watching too many Hollywood action movies. It says something when you're the only state in the country with a flat-out ban on firearm-installed night vision devices.

While I have utter disdain for emotion-based laws like PC468, I do have some respect for the Fish and Game laws, because ostensibly, they were enacted with conservation as the chief objective. Some of these laws and regulations may be worth revisiting now for repeal by seeing if those circumstances existing at the time of enactment still hold, but fundamentally, I have to believe they came from a pure place (or as pure of a place as legislation can).

As I understand the law, there may be some limited circumstances where night vision for hunting is permissible, but it's not for all places in California, for all species, or in all situations.
 
My take is DO NOT hunt at night with night vision equipment on public land or you will be in deep trouble if caught. On private property and with permit or non game animal then it a bit grey? At the very least who on your property will call fish and wildlife on you?assuming your nosy neighbors don’t know about it somehow. CA is indeed a deep legal mud pit with no bottom! safer just not hunt at night in CA! Texas on the other hand is a war zone on pigs at night, I got to try that one day. 
 
Had 3 Sightmark Wraiths and a Pard NV008P LRF and NV007 shipped to California, all thru Ebay.

Sightmarks purcahsed thru the smaller vendors who aren't big enough to be worried about any unforseen liability issues selling to Californians..

The NV008 was order direct from China, and NV007 came from an Ebay vendor out of Texas...

Now, got 4 buddies setup, 1600 and 600 acre parcels of private land, pesting rats, jack rabbits, ground squirrels, beavers and coyotes. 🙈🙉🙊




 
Had 3 Sightmark Wraiths and a Pard NV008P LRF and NV007 shipped to California, all thru Ebay.

Sightmarks purcahsed thru the smaller vendors who aren't big enough to be worried about any unforseen liability issues selling to Californians..

The NV008 was order direct from China, and NV007 came from an Ebay vendor out of Texas...

Now, got 4 buddies setup, 1600 and 600 acre parcels of private land, pesting rats, jack rabbits, ground squirrels, beavers and coyotes.
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